Communist Nazi Fucking Bastards!
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Immunity




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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 01:30    Post subject: Communist Nazi Fucking Bastards!
Just last month I upgraded my plan with Comcast to 16 Mbps, now this...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2329170,00.asp

"Comcast has confirmed that all residential customers will be subject to a 250 gigabyte per month data limit starting October 1."

Sigh...

So now I have to find a new fucking ISP - the problem being that I live out in the fucking sticks as it were, and I'm fairly certain that Comcast is the only ISP out here (monopoly anyone?)

What steams me the most is that THEY FUCKING CALLED ME and offered me a FUCKING UPGRADE. What's the point of 16Mbps if you are fucking capped at 250 GB a month? What a motherfuckin joke.

I'm sure they are going to try to hit me with some bullshit fucking cancellation fees. Even if they don't - the hassle of having to return my modem, look around for another cable ISP, wait all fucking day to get set back up etc. etc. is just UGH.

Honestly...what the fuck?

1) Launch marketing campaign to get our customers to upgrade to 16 Mbps for more $$$.
2) Cap bandwith a month later so that the upgraded plan is useless.

Doesn't this seem deceptive/illegal to anyone else? Evil or Very Mad


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tainted4ever
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 01:32    Post subject:
250 GB/month is quite enough for me.


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deelix
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 01:40    Post subject:
What is it with other countries and their stupid inet capping :\ That is just pure capitalism, because there is no way you can "use up" the BW -.-

Not one ISP caps the inet here anymore, so unlimited DL and UL. Out biggest ISP; Telenor did this like 5-7 years ago. I would never fucking agree with something like that, I don't care if the limit is 1TB, all connections should be unlimited in 2008. 250gb seems kinda reasonable even for a moderate leecher, but its fucking stupid. When we had this shit in Norway it was just like having a phone with those cards you could fill up with new minutes, you had to pay money to raise the limit and it was quite expensive too. Better times now ^^
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 01:46    Post subject: Re: Communist Nazi Fucking Bastards!
Immunity wrote:
Doesn't this seem deceptive/illegal to anyone else? Evil or Very Mad


It probably is, if the contract you signed with them at the time of the upgrade didn't mention any cap. But the thing is that it's probably there somewhere in the fine print along the lines of 'price/speed/limit subject to change without notice' or the other favourite 'fair usage policy'. If however the contract doesn't mention it then you could cancel it without penalties.
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tainted4ever
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 02:36    Post subject:
The articles are misleading. When you signed the contract there was a clause that said the cap was 250 GB, and if you went over they may terminate their relationship with you. They weren't enforcing it up until now. Now they are.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 03:01    Post subject:
I have a 40 Gigabyte cap. That is why I don't post so much gotta conserve my precious BW. Crying or Very sad
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NuclearShadow
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 03:32    Post subject:
First of all Comcast has always secretly had this cap they just never revealed it. If someone hit this cap they would get a phone call soon after and be warned and presented a plan to upgrade to business class which does not have a cap. If this repeated two times within a year their service gets disconnected if the customer once again refuses to upgrade.

Second this means with out a doubt you have failed to ever hit the 250 GB cap already so you are complaining about something that will most likely never affect you.

Third This is 100% legal what they are doing. I don't agree with it myself but sadly there's nothing we can do.
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pistolshrimp
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 03:38    Post subject:
250 gigabyte per month is quite a bit exp if you are not uploading. I bet you would be able to get away with 300. Sometimes you can get away with if you don't have a lot of heavy users in your node.
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tainted4ever
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 03:42    Post subject:
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First of all Comcast has always secretly had this cap they just never revealed it.
It was never secret. It's in the contract.


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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 03:53    Post subject:
tainted4ever wrote:
Quote:
First of all Comcast has always secretly had this cap they just never revealed it.
It was never secret. It's in the contract.



Exactly. It is in the User Agreement. You can probably find them online so you can compare different ISP's. They just don't advertise it.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 04:05    Post subject:
tainted4ever wrote:
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First of all Comcast has always secretly had this cap they just never revealed it.
It was never secret. It's in the contract.


Wel you maybe half right. When Comcast decided to monopolize itself by buying out everyone in their path where they spread they never had customers renew the contract nor tell users about this cap which they still enforced. A very large amount of Comcast customers fit under this because they simply had a domino effect of buying others out and making them part of Comcast.

As for as it being in their contract agreement with them in terms of use I wouldn't know because I am a customer that never chose Comcast they just bought out the ISP I used.
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 04:12    Post subject:
Well....

1) I'm 100% positive I've went over 250 GB a month many times. Just looking back at my router and application logs, I've hit 320 last month alone.

2) Be honest - how many of you go through the Terms of Service with a fine tooth comb? Most are written so ambiguously that you'd have to have a legal background to even bother deciphering them.

I know that ignorance cannot be used as a defense when it comes to breach of contract - but its the principle of the matter. When Comcast advertises on TV/Radio, they do not mention said cap - instead pointing you to the T.O.S. at the bottom of your screen in 1 point font (which the lay man won't decipher anyway).

This is shady business practice. They need to verbally mention that you won't have unlimited usage as they lead you to believe.

3) In my 4 or so years with them as my ISP (I had Time Warner originally but Comcast bought them out), I never ONCE received a phone call from them asking me if I would like to upgrade my service. Then, last month - I get the call and they hook me in for $15 extra a month. Then, miraculously, they come out publicly with this cap.

Something smells fucking fishy here. It's like they wanted to increase their revenue stream without having an increased load on their infrastructure due to the cap.

Shady shit I say, and I can't wait for those cocksuckers to give me a call next month....


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pistolshrimp
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 04:59    Post subject:
Well I know that a few consumer groups have gone after ISP's because of their advertising practices so a lot of people out there feel the same way you do. I think the big one right now is privacy issues and the selling of your personal info to marketing firms which then target ads to you. I think it is more misleading that ISP's promise fast speeds as a selling feature but yet they throttling traffic.

I have read my User Agreement and I thought it was pretty easy to understand. I think that the majority of users on this site would know to ask about the cap. I used to be able to check mine online but I think they disabled that feature

Immunity wrote:

Something smells fucking fishy here. It's like they wanted to increase their revenue stream without having an increased load on their infrastructure due to the cap.


Haha, that is exactly what they want to do. Very Happy That is the name of the game in advertising. It is never a balanced perspective.
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NuclearShadow
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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Sep 2008 13:46    Post subject:
Immunity wrote:
Well....

1) I'm 100% positive I've went over 250 GB a month many times. Just looking back at my router and application logs, I've hit 320 last month alone.

2) Be honest - how many of you go through the Terms of Service with a fine tooth comb? Most are written so ambiguously that you'd have to have a legal background to even bother deciphering them.

I know that ignorance cannot be used as a defense when it comes to breach of contract - but its the principle of the matter. When Comcast advertises on TV/Radio, they do not mention said cap - instead pointing you to the T.O.S. at the bottom of your screen in 1 point font (which the lay man won't decipher anyway).

This is shady business practice. They need to verbally mention that you won't have unlimited usage as they lead you to believe.

3) In my 4 or so years with them as my ISP (I had Time Warner originally but Comcast bought them out), I never ONCE received a phone call from them asking me if I would like to upgrade my service. Then, last month - I get the call and they hook me in for $15 extra a month. Then, miraculously, they come out publicly with this cap.

Something smells fucking fishy here. It's like they wanted to increase their revenue stream without having an increased load on their infrastructure due to the cap.

Shady shit I say, and I can't wait for those cocksuckers to give me a call next month....


I think your extra $15 service is the unlimited Business account so I think your safe.
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