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 Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 10:55 Post subject: Cocaine is killing more than ever, or something |
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http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Cocaine_is_killing_in_record_numbers&in_article_id=285068&in_page_id=34
| Quote: | Dinner party drugs such as cocaine are killing record numbers of people, new figures show.
The increase is being put down to young Britons trying to emulate the lifestyles of celebrities such as Pete Doherty and Amy Winehouse.
More deaths are also being seen among thirty- and fortysomethings, prompting charities to warn that cocaine was becoming the narcotic of choice among the middle-classes.
An Addaction spokesman said: 'The massive increase in cocaine deaths is the most worrying as it is still seen as a safe middle-class drug. People think they can copy celebrities and do a quick line because it doesn't have the same stigma as other class As but it's actually just as destructive.'
The Office For National Statistics figures show drugs poisoning killed 2,640 people in England and Wales last year, up 2.7 per cent from 2006.
Cocaine claimed a record 196 lives last year, up from just 11 when the figures were first recorded in 1993.
Many deaths are being linked to users taking the drug after drinking alcohol. It produces a compound called cocaine-ethynyl which can trigger a heart attack.
Addaction said: 'It's particularly worrying that middle-aged men are now continuing to use drugs as they get older. At one time, young people would dabble then stop as they settled down but these kind of figures suggest an epidemic.'
The Department of Health said tackling drug abuse was a priority, adding: 'Increased funding has led to 130 per cent more people in treatment and crime associated with drugs has fallen |
I'd have put this in news (or feel free to move it admin) but I think it warrants a general chatter.
I've never heard of anyone dying from a cocaine related death. I have a lot of friends and a lot of colleagues take it too and it doesn't seem to do them any harm (I know it's bad for your health obviously but I mean like personality changes and change in behaviour) They only do it at weekends.
I think it's quite worrying how out of touch these 'charities' and the government are about this. Personally, I don't think any amount of money ploughed in to drug crime prevention will do any good whatsoever. There was an interesting article about the governments former head of drug legislation and she said that to prevent more damage being done, drugs should be legalised and controlled.
Anyone here do drugs or ever have in the past? Are they really as bad as everyone makes out?
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 11:00 Post subject: |
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fuck it , if they didnt have the will power to stay clean in 1st place than this is only their fault
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 12:43 Post subject: |
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drugs arent bad, people who cant control their drug use are bad
and indeed legalization and control. not drugs like heroine offcourse
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 16:46 Post subject: Re: Cocaine is killing more than ever, or something |
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| GeordieRacer wrote: | | I think it's quite worrying how out of touch these 'charities' and the government are about this. Personally, I don't think any amount of money ploughed in to drug crime prevention will do any good whatsoever. |
actually the article says they are putting money into the department of health for extra treatment facilities, which is a good use of money.
and yes I agree all public policy in relation to drug use should follow the principles of harm reduction ... basically the exact opposite of what they do in America.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 16:56 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 18:34 Post subject: |
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Legalization would be awesome cause then people will stop using it as a political whipping horse. That would be a good day.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 20:35 Post subject: |
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Legalization has merits. Here in Vancouver, BC Canada it is organized crime controlling the drug trade. It is on an international level, Some of our gangs had a shoot out in Mexico and a bunch of innocent people were killed there, not to mention what happens here. I agree with Legalization because it impact the organized crime but at the same time I think it send the wrong message out to the most vulnerable people in society. We have safe injection sites, the only in N.A. I think. I listen to the average person talk about them, and lots of them are under the impression that safe sites actually give out drugs which isn't true. Most of them want to condem the addicts and play high and mighty rather then come up with a reasonable solution. The safe injection site I think is a good idea because at least there are non judgemental health care providers for the addicts to come into contacts with. The more contact they have with health providers the better their chance is of getting help and into a program.
There people were considered middle class at one point. They lose their house due to drugs like coke. They don't have bottomless pockets like Amy Winehouse.
ya, Gordie coke kills. I personally know (althou not well) 3 guys who died. They were in their 30's and had a heart attacks. That was I was told anyway, basically it was because of coke. They were just family guys who used. All 3 left behind kids.
Never done coke.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 20:42 Post subject: |
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oh, and some more backwards bullshit from our retarded conservative government ...
| Quote: | | The Conservative government's National Anti-Drug Strategy has essentially abandoned the Four Pillars approach for a "One Pillar," US-style "war on drugs" that puts almost all resources into law enforcement. As of 2007, law enforcement accounted for an overwhelming 73% of spending in the National Anti-Drug Strategy, while treatment only received 14%, research just 7% and prevention and harm reduction a pitiful 2.6% each. |
http://protectinsite.blogspot.com/2008/08/open-letter-to-minister-clement-from.html
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2008 21:05 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | oh, and some more backwards bullshit from our retarded conservative government ...
| Quote: | | The Conservative government's National Anti-Drug Strategy has essentially abandoned the Four Pillars approach for a "One Pillar," US-style "war on drugs" that puts almost all resources into law enforcement. As of 2007, law enforcement accounted for an overwhelming 73% of spending in the National Anti-Drug Strategy, while treatment only received 14%, research just 7% and prevention and harm reduction a pitiful 2.6% each. |
http://protectinsite.blogspot.com/2008/08/open-letter-to-minister-clement-from.html |
Ya, Harper's gov is such a sell out to the US policy. EVERYTHING they does seems to go against previous pillar's of what Canada is suppost to be about. All behind closed doors as well so no one hears about it until it is too late. Prob because we are so focused as a nation of the price of gas we don't see all the other stuff we are losing. Hopefully with the election coming up in the US some of their policies will change affecting ours. Seems to be how it works
We had the legalization going through until the states threatened Canada. There is a Marc Emory Video out that was quite good. It is biased no doubt but still there was alot of truth to it. DEA doesn't belong in Canada and the Harper gov is welcoming them in with open arms.
In the US there was a story about a girl, grad from Univ and got caught selling a bunch of weed and had 7 X pills. They blackmailed her into a dangerous sting operation with dealers that were way over her head. Made her buy thousands of x pilss, huge amount of weed and a GUN. They wired her up and lost her. The dealers drove her to a parking lot and shot her with the gun she was suppost to buy. She was found a couple of days later stuffed in the trunk. The poice weren't even watching her. She was 21 On the interview the police chief (I think) kept refering to her as a criminal. That was sad. It was on ABC, maybe 20/20 I am sure people can find it themselves. The interview is online.
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| Posted: Wed, 3rd Sep 2008 02:23 Post subject: |
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Coke is a horrible drug. Im currently trying to get a couple of friends off it.
Mind you, I did coke for oh, 5 years and it was great until the last year when it really fucked me so I stopped, cold turkey.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Sep 2008 12:45 Post subject: |
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I never got the idea behind coke.
First, its damn expensive for what you get.
Second, It doesnt last long so you keep on going and before you know it you have none left.
only reason to take coke and not something else would be that you dont have a real comedown the next day. if you keep doing it for days on end, youre gonna come down hard offcourse but thats where a bit of self control comes in play
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| JeanPerrier wrote: | I never got the idea behind coke.
First, its damn expensive for what you get.
Second, It doesnt last long so you keep on going and before you know it you have none left.
only reason to take coke and not something else would be that you dont have a real comedown the next day. if you keep doing it for days on end, youre gonna come down hard offcourse but thats where a bit of self control comes in play |
coke is only expensive if you dont have connections
for example, a half gram sells for $40 on the street. I can get it for $10. Coke is so cheap, in the sense of how its made and such. The mark up is contributed to the dealers who sell it.
I can get a quarter (7 grams) for a hundred bucks.
it all depends on your source, if your friends with them and if they are willing to hook you up |
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even if i wanted to pretend to be their friends, the effect doesnt last long enough for my taste 
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| JeanPerrier wrote: | | even if i wanted to pretend to be their friends, the effect doesnt last long enough for my taste |
thats because you have to do it alot to have the effect last a long time. A half g will last like what 15-20 mins.
Try doing 7 grams...you'll be fucked outta your tree for hours |
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Sep 2008 14:30 Post subject: |
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and before you get a chance to reply, even with your connections, sycho, it sill would be 80 bucks for a couple of hours
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| JeanPerrier wrote: | | and before you get a chance to reply, even with your connections, sycho, it sill would be 80 bucks for a couple of hours |
dude, i can grab a g (gram) of yayo for $30 bucks |
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Sep 2008 19:36 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | JeanPerrier wrote: | | and before you get a chance to reply, even with your connections, sycho, it sill would be 80 bucks for a couple of hours |
dude, i can grab a g (gram) of yayo for $30 bucks |
i mean with the 7grams. if you get it really cheap, its still 80 bucks for a couple of hours  |
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Sep 2008 19:44 Post subject: |
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| JeanPerrier wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | JeanPerrier wrote: | | and before you get a chance to reply, even with your connections, sycho, it sill would be 80 bucks for a couple of hours |
dude, i can grab a g (gram) of yayo for $30 bucks |
i mean with the 7grams. if you get it really cheap, its still 80 bucks for a couple of hours |
oh i getcha
yeah man, complete waste of money. basically your putting your money up your nose.
Pointless and the after affects are fuckin horrible. Im sure you know what I mean |
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All the people that i know that OD'ed were doing blow and oxy.
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| Posted: Thu, 4th Sep 2008 23:27 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: |
oh i getcha
yeah man, complete waste of money. basically your putting your money up your nose.
Pointless and the after affects are fuckin horrible. Im sure you know what I mean |
from coke no, but i can believe its horrible after that kind of amount. speed just kills me the next day. and your face looks like a dope fiend the day after damn |
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Sep 2008 13:21 Post subject: |
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The problem with coke is that it's usually mixed with a lot of crap. Good coke gives you a high in about 1 min and the WOOW feeling like you need to exhale a ton of air. Also you can easily go to sleep after good coke. And you usualy need to take a dump in 30 min after the first line.
Chattering teeth, inability to sleep, shaking, dizzines etc. are all signs that coke was mixed. Rubbing it on your gums is not always a clear sign that it's OK since a lot of mixed crap comes with an anasthetic mixed into it.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Sep 2008 15:11 Post subject: |
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| Devi-Lee wrote: | The problem with coke is that it's usually mixed with a lot of crap. Good coke gives you a high in about 1 min and the WOOW feeling like you need to exhale a ton of air. Also you can easily go to sleep after good coke. And you usualy need to take a dump in 30 min after the first line.
Chattering teeth, inability to sleep, shaking, dizzines etc. are all signs that coke was mixed. Rubbing it on your gums is not always a clear sign that it's OK since a lot of mixed crap comes with an anasthetic mixed into it. |
Very true
But I get clean coke. It may have been stomped on once. I mean, you cant get pure coke...it'll kill you. It needs to be cut one time
And did you know coke that makes you numb is cut with novocane and is complete shit.
A good coke doesnt numb you out, gives you energy and doesnt give you the shakes and what not |
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Sep 2008 16:32 Post subject: |
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Didn't know that. I thought that coke is always supposed to numb you... even my friends who went to Bolivia said it did.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Sep 2008 18:33 Post subject: |
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your wrong man
good coke doesnt numb you
coke that numbs you either has ethol or novocane in it
trust me, ive been around it and dealt with it for years.
and the reason medicall coke numbs you is because they add the ethol or novocane to it.
Real coke doesnt. trust me
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Sep 2008 18:45 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | Yes, all coke numbs you. It is what cocaine was originally used for in early dentistry  |
your wrong man
good coke doesnt numb you
coke that numbs you either has ethol or novocane in it
trust me, ive been around it and dealt with it for years.
and the reason medicall coke numbs you is because they add the ethol or novocane to it.
Real coke doesnt. trust me |
that's like telling me that real tylenol doesn't cure headaches. cocaine is not some big mystery, the numbing effect is what makes it medicinally useful.
| Quote: | The major medical use of cocaine is as a local anesthetic, particularly for procedures that involve the nose, throat, or mouth. It is the only local anesthetic that causes vasoconstriction, or narrowing of the blood vessels. For this reason, cocaine is useful in surgeries that require a minimum of bleeding. In addition, cocaine shrinks membranes, giving the surgeon a better view. When used in appropriate doses for necessary surgeries, and with appropriate medical caution, cocaine appears to be both useful and safe as a local anesthetic
Cocaine abusers do not take cocaine orally, because cocaine taken by mouth is absorbed into the brain slowly. By this method, it takes more than an hour to reach peak brain levels of cocaine. Abusers are more likely to inhale cocaine into the nose as a powder. By this method, the drug is quickly absorbed from the mucous membranes in the nose. Because of its local anesthetic actions, cocaine numbs or "freezes" the mucous membranes. A person buying cocaine on the street will test its purity by inhaling a small amount to see if this numbing occurs.. |
http://www.bookrags.com/research/cocaine-dat-01/
even the name cocaine means exactly that... 'coca' + 'caine' = 'coca leafs that contain alkaloids used as anesthetics'.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Sep 2008 18:47 Post subject: |
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Dude, Im not gunna argue with you. I know what I know. And Im not about to reveal myself over the internet.
But put it this way, ive gotten coke that has been cut once (it has to be cut once or it will kill you) and it didnt make me numb. And you dont jones for it or anything
Ask any coke dealer, coke that numb has been stomped on more than once and usually with ethol
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