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 Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:03 Post subject: Well its time to put EA to sleep. |
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If you havn't read my most recent spore post then read this.
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/3869.page
This is unacceptable. This can not be allowed to be the future of gaming whether it be PC or Console (because you know someday consoles will be effected too). This behavior from people who rely on us the gamers is trying to be a Nazi to us? Screw that. They rely on us not the other way around.
The worst part of it isn't just that they want to censor us but on top of it the threat only pertains to the people would bought the game. They are literally threatening the legitimate customers the people who have the most rights to speak against ANYTHING that the game contains including the DRM. Where will it end? Will any expressed criticism of EA or any games from them lead to your account being banned and forcing you to buy the games all over? Seems like that's where its heading.
EA can go to hell. Their questionable business tactics can go to hell. Their monopoly on the gaming industry can go to hell and most important their sales can go to hell.
I purpose from here on out that we boycott all EA titles whether developed or even just published by them. Its time for consumer rights and its time to start a gamers rights alliance stopping actions such as EA's recent behavior and any unfair DRM by informing and spreading the gospel of a better tomorrow for all gamers. Individually we are weak but together we can move any mountain and slay any giant. If we stop the cash flow either EA submits and gives into our reasonable demands or they slowly bankrupt themselves from releasing game after game that will result in such bad sales they won't even come near to making a profit.
Here is a list of developers owned by EA to specifically avoid however I am sure the list is longer then this.
BioWare
DICE
Pandemic
Black Box
Maxis
Phenomic
Criterion
Mythic
EA Sports
Your intro to your games told us to "challenge everything" and now its time to challenge you EA.
-NuclearShadow
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:10 Post subject: |
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Newsflash: They don't care about this post.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:15 Post subject: |
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i yes. i'm worry just cause i have bought the game and i don't want get my account banned. i haved some account problems with half life 2 also time ago but anyway i have emailed to valve and get it back again
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:15 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | Newsflash: They don't care about this post. |
This single post isn't what matters. The point is to spread this knowledge of unacceptable behavior that is going on. The point is to tell others and start a movement against them. They may never see this post and frankly I don't care if they do. But they could very well see the results of the message spreading and people acting upon it.
| hippy12 wrote: | | i yes. i'm worry just cause i have bought the game and i don't want get my account banned. |
They won't know which account is yours so long as you don't post it on their forums. Posting on their forums would hardly be productive anyways. Spreading the word everywhere else to the point everyone sees it anyways is what matters.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:22 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | They won't know which account is yours so long as you don't post it on their forums. Posting on their forums would hardly be productive anyways. Spreading the word everywhere else to the point everyone sees it anyways is what matters |
Valve for example i think that they know all accounts of all their clients. they have a big database into the cyber cafè. EA don't know maybe is different
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:23 Post subject: |
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| hippy12 wrote: | | Quote: | | They won't know which account is yours so long as you don't post it on their forums. Posting on their forums would hardly be productive anyways. Spreading the word everywhere else to the point everyone sees it anyways is what matters |
Valve for example i think that they know all accounts of all their clients. they have a big database into the cyber cafè. EA don't know maybe is different |
.... Just stop talking and go sit in a corner.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:27 Post subject: |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | | The point is to spread this knowledge of unacceptable behavior that is going on. The point is to tell others and start a movement against them. |
Yeah, dude, there will totally be a movement against EA amongst the 10 million people who buy Madden every year.
You're pretty naive, if you think that there will ever be a significant anti-EA movement. You might as well say "let's take down Microsoft or Exxon-Mobil."
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:28 Post subject: |
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| Cedge wrote: | | NuclearShadow wrote: | | The point is to spread this knowledge of unacceptable behavior that is going on. The point is to tell others and start a movement against them. |
Yeah, dude, there will totally be a movement against EA amongst the 10 million people who buy Madden every year.
You're pretty naive, if you think that there will ever be a significant anti-EA movement. You might as well say "let's take down Microsoft or Exxon-Mobil." |
One name only needs to be spoken.
Ghandi
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:37 Post subject: |
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@NuclearShadow: i hope you're not comparing yourself to ghandi ^^ (no, seriously, i get where you're at)
@Cedge: isn't that the problem with the most movements? - or even with elections for that matter - the single one thinks he has no impact but if all think that... you get the picture
what pisses me off is, that even if i wanted to buy games to support the devs (i.e. BioWare and Pandemic) i can't do that with a clear conscience because i'd support EA and their new found censorship with that
stardock, they're a good company one that's really worth supporting (up to now, who knows where that's gonna end up) too bad i can't get into any of the games they go out there...
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:37 Post subject: |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | One name only needs to be spoken.
Ghandi |
Because a tiny minority of PC gamers who are pissy about copy protection that only very rarely actually causes any problems for anyone is totally comparable to an entire subcontinent of people suffering the oppressive injustice of exploitative colonial foreign control.
You are a very, very deluded individual.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:37 Post subject: Re: Well its time to put EA to sleep. |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | If you havn't read my most recent spore post then read this.
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/3869.page
This is unacceptable. This can not be allowed to be the future of gaming whether it be PC or Console (because you know someday consoles will be effected too). This behavior from people who rely on us the gamers is trying to be a Nazi to us? Screw that. They rely on us not the other way around.
The worst part of it isn't just that they want to censor us but on top of it the threat only pertains to the people would bought the game. They are literally threatening the legitimate customers the people who have the most rights to speak against ANYTHING that the game contains including the DRM. Where will it end? Will any expressed criticism of EA or any games from them lead to your account being banned and forcing you to buy the games all over? Seems like that's where its heading.
EA can go to hell. Their questionable business tactics can go to hell. Their monopoly on the gaming industry can go to hell and most important their sales can go to hell.
I purpose from here on out that we boycott all EA titles whether developed or even just published by them. Its time for consumer rights and its time to start a gamers rights alliance stopping actions such as EA's recent behavior and any unfair DRM by informing and spreading the gospel of a better tomorrow for all gamers. Individually we are weak but together we can move any mountain and slay any giant. If we stop the cash flow either EA submits and gives into our reasonable demands or they slowly bankrupt themselves from releasing game after game that will result in such bad sales they won't even come near to making a profit.
Here is a list of developers owned by EA to specifically avoid however I am sure the list is longer then this.
BioWare
DICE
Pandemic
Black Box
Maxis
Phenomic
Criterion
Mythic
EA Sports
Your intro to your games told us to "challenge everything" and now its time to challenge you EA.
-NuclearShadow |
and a few more before that
Westwood studios (C&C developers)
Bullfrog studios (dungeon keeper developers)
and i dont remember others.
pD: why the fbi or some one take a very close look to ea for monopoly?
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:42 Post subject: |
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The reason your Ghandi comparison is really incredibly stupid is because it wasn't like there were only a few people in India who were upset about the British Raj. It was millions and millions of people, many of whom were willing to put everything they had, even their very lives, on the line, to help attain their goal of independence.
The thing about EA and DRM is that only a relatively small percentage of gamers know or care about DRM issues at all. The ones that do are mostly just nerds who don't do much more than blog and make forum posts about how much they hate DRM, and not buy games that they probably weren't going to buy anyway.
Seriously, that is an astoundingly bad comparison. I am in awe.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 04:43 Post subject: Re: Well its time to put EA to sleep. |
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i'm lolin. Ummm. Spore gets repetative. How many times do you format your pc? How many times do you re-install a game? Ffs. The 3-now-5 installs is plenty enough. For everyone. The inability to share the cd key... Jesus fuck. is that really such a big problem? You weren't allowed to use the same cd key twice for half life back in the day and play online with your mates. Why isn't anyone pissy about that. You can't use the same steam account twice and play the same game twice on the net. Fuck. Is that such a big problem? Holy fuck. Pretty much what im trying to say if you HAVE to reinstall the game more than 5 times in a month... stop looking at shitty bugged gay porn sites.
The game is short as fuck. Online is tedious. But if you're really are THAt into it, you can easily buy another copy and not give a flying fuck.
Same with sport games. If you know how to handle your pc well and not get bloated with spyware... you won't have to reinstall any of their games until you get bored or wait until a newer release comes out. The whole DRM thing is just a reason for whiny boys to blog about. It's nothing big. It's not the end of the world.
if there was a limit how many times you can run your game, then yeah, i'd understand why someone would be pissed. But it's just an install limitation which mean shit really cause half the people here who pirated the game or many other games, played them through once and either kept it or uninstalled it and never bothered playing it again. Same would've happened if they bought it.
So ffs... stop bitching about nothing! If it's such a big problem for you... don't buy it. Don't download it. And see how much your effort will hurt EA and many other companies. 
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I own a lot of EA titles and enjoy all of them.
I buy games that are good. I don't understand the issue here at all. Call me a sellout or an idiot, but I personally think EA is getting better rather than worse and the sproe DRM was just something for people to whine about, IE this post.
But hey, everyones entitled to their opinions, this one just happens to be naive.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 05:14 Post subject: |
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erhm... maybe i got that wrong but the DRM wasn't the OPs main point (at least imo)
i see his emphasis on this part:
| NuclearShadow wrote: | | They are literally threatening the legitimate customers the people who have the most rights to speak against ANYTHING that the game contains including the DRM. Where will it end? Will any expressed criticism of EA or any games from them lead to your account being banned and forcing you to buy the games all over? Seems like that's where its heading. |
and that's a point i don't think is so naive (but then again i am a friend of corporate-conspiracy theories after all ^^ - but seriously, that sucks)
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 05:21 Post subject: |
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| Reklis wrote: | i see his emphasis on this part:
| NuclearShadow wrote: | | They are literally threatening the legitimate customers the people who have the most rights to speak against ANYTHING that the game contains including the DRM. Where will it end? Will any expressed criticism of EA or any games from them lead to your account being banned and forcing you to buy the games all over? Seems like that's where its heading. |
and that's a point i don't think is so naive (but then again i am a friend of corporate-conspiracy theories after all ^^ - but seriously, that sucks) |
It is very unlikely that that comment was made by an actual EA employee. It's probably the same thing as what happened with the Bioshock "your brother should buy his own copy" thing from last year: the statement was made by an employee of a third-party customer relations company (which are usually used by companies like EA and 2K to moderate their forums; they often don't have in-house employees modding their boards), who didn't really know what he was talking about, regarding 2K's policies.
So, yeah. This probably isn't even a statement backed by EA.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 05:33 Post subject: |
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yay for outsorcing i say! ^^ but then again doesn't it kinda defeat the purpose when you theroretically should have people monitoring them so that stuff like that doesn't happen? but they don't do that, that's theroretically the duty of the 3rd party company etc. yada yada yada. there's something wrong with the corporate 'culture' if you wanna call it that.
btw. shouldn't somebody send that then to idk ea's own customer support or so? i can't be in their interest that people (speak: customers) see them in that light - but why should they care? (seeing as most corporations try to maintain a positive image, they damn well should)
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 05:52 Post subject: |
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By the way, the Spore DRM means you can't install it on more than 5 differants PCs, it's not a limits of actual install, but of PCs... Meaning the arguments of formatting and uninstalls are baseless and frankly a whole damn lot of FUD!
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 06:01 Post subject: |
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playing spore is like trance dancing with glow sticks.
no matter good you play[or dance] your still gay.
"no good deed goes unpunished" jesus to apostle john
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| alexender00 wrote: | | By the way, the Spore DRM means you can't install it on more than 5 differants PCs, it's not a limits of actual install, but of PCs... Meaning the arguments of formatting and uninstalls are baseless and frankly a whole damn lot of FUD! |
Really so why the fuck are people complaining? ARRRGH!
| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 06:34 Post subject: |
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| Cedge wrote: | | NuclearShadow wrote: | One name only needs to be spoken.
Ghandi |
Because a tiny minority of PC gamers who are pissy about copy protection that only very rarely actually causes any problems for anyone is totally comparable to an entire subcontinent of people suffering the oppressive injustice of exploitative colonial foreign control.
You are a very, very deluded individual. |
What in the blue hell are you talking about? Have you been living under a rock? People are massively pissed with securom and the limited activations. Besides you don't think 3 activations won't get in the way of the average gamer? Even just upgrading your videocard takes one of the activations away. You either know nothing about this and are foolishly trying to state a ill informed opinion or you for some reason using your tongue to wipe EA's ass maybe your just trying to troll...
| Quote: | The reason your Ghandi comparison is really incredibly stupid is because it wasn't like there were only a few people in India who were upset about the British Raj. It was millions and millions of people, many of whom were willing to put everything they had, even their very lives, on the line, to help attain their goal of independence.
The thing about EA and DRM is that only a relatively small percentage of gamers know or care about DRM issues at all. The ones that do are mostly just nerds who don't do much more than blog and make forum posts about how much they hate DRM, and not buy games that they probably weren't going to buy anyway.
Seriously, that is an astoundingly bad comparison. I am in awe. |
Your a idiot go sit in the corner too. My comparison to Ghandi was simply to point out that what seems to be all powerful and in control can be beaten by the will of the people whom of which it affects. Of course this is much different and doesn't compare to the scale of Ghandi. However if Ghandi taught us anything its that if people stand up and together and if their will never backs down they will not crumble under any pressure no matter how strong and will prevail. If Ghandi can take on a empire we can take something down as small as EA in comparison.
| Quote: | It is very unlikely that that comment was made by an actual EA employee. It's probably the same thing as what happened with the Bioshock "your brother should buy his own copy" thing from last year: the statement was made by an employee of a third-party customer relations company (which are usually used by companies like EA and 2K to moderate their forums; they often don't have in-house employees modding their boards), who didn't really know what he was talking about, regarding 2K's policies.
So, yeah. This probably isn't even a statement backed by EA. |
I'm tempted to test your theory. But it honestly doesn't appear to be the work of a simple mod. The threat that was posted would clearly get the mod into deep shit if it weren't true. Perhaps I should give EA a email and see what they say exactly.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 06:46 Post subject: |
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| alexender00 wrote: | | By the way, the Spore DRM means you can't install it on more than 5 differants PCs, it's not a limits of actual install, but of PCs... Meaning the arguments of formatting and uninstalls are baseless and frankly a whole damn lot of FUD! |
Wrong. After each installation is used (was originally 3 and now is 5) you have to call EA. Which they offer to sell you more activations. Reinstalling and any hardware changes of the videocard, motherboard , CPU you use will also use a activation.
Next time just google something you know nothing about.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 07:49 Post subject: |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | | alexender00 wrote: | | By the way, the Spore DRM means you can't install it on more than 5 differants PCs, it's not a limits of actual install, but of PCs... Meaning the arguments of formatting and uninstalls are baseless and frankly a whole damn lot of FUD! |
Wrong. After each installation is used (was originally 3 and now is 5) you have to call EA. Which they offer to sell you more activations. Reinstalling and any hardware changes of the videocard, motherboard , CPU you use will also use a activation.
Next time just google something you know nothing about. |
Might want to google a bit yourself... I don't speak through my hat, but apparently you do...
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080916-ars-puts-spore-drm-to-the-testwith-a-surprising-result.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080919-ea-relents-changes-spore-drm-too-little-too-late.html
The thing is 0.4% of the user are bogged by the previous install limit... that's a ridiculously low amount of user... Invasive DRM are evil... this is rather benign but it's blown way way out of proportions by users like you. Sure, it might seem harder to crack and might be/become a pain in the pirates asses but for the legitimate users, this is rather seamless and painless. The DRM is not on the PCs but on the servers...
Stardock does this and they are lauded for their DRM-free software... True the original software is "free" but the serial you get is about the only way to get the patches and extra content making it perhaps the most effective DRM I've ever seen.
Compared to Starforce, this is nothing but people complain as if it's was the birth of the anti-Christ.
Grow up.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Sep 2008 09:37 Post subject: |
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Wah wah wah?
Developer doesn't want people to use it's forums to discuss how to bypass their copyright protection?
Big whoop?
Grow the fuck up and get the fuck over it. Or alternately go and throw a tantrum like a little baby.
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