[DAMN]=- CDs get bad after some years -=[/DAMN]
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NightLrd




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Sep 2004 12:08    Post subject: [DAMN]=- CDs get bad after some years -=[/DAMN]
OK, I knew this would happen but it still hurts to find out that some of my older burnt CDs are no longer working.
It takes the drive ages to list the CD and reading the files gives errors.
I lost mainly movies and old games/apps and stuff so the problem is in no way serious but still...
Does anyone know whether this problem is typical for CDRs from let say four to five-ish years ago, or is the same going to happen with the CDR from now and how is this with DVDR?
I wouldn't like to loose all my DVDR... on the other hand maybe i should consider buying the stuff that i like to keep... Groups have been urging me to do so for years now Very Happy
Anyway... any thoughts on this matter?



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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Sep 2004 13:07    Post subject:
I wouldn't know...al my cd's I've burned like 5 years ago I've thrown away I think.
My guess is that the quality of the CDRs has improved quite a bit and should have a longer lifespan.


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GullyUK




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Sep 2004 13:33    Post subject:
well, hdd is so cheap these days, i just use hdd storage. looking at about £1 a GB here in the UK, not that more expensive than buying media. i only rarely burn off DVDs as backups; i use my 500gig external instead as an archive Razz
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ace2k5




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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Oct 2004 06:10    Post subject:
From what Ive heard cd-rs last 100 years at least. Not sure about dvdrs So its good to know your cd-r discs are going to outlive you. Very Happy Wouldnt want to have important data die on me when Im alive. Very Happy
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Steve-O 2004




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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Oct 2004 12:27    Post subject:
GullyUK wrote:
well, hdd is so cheap these days, i just use hdd storage. looking at about £1 a GB here in the UK, not that more expensive than buying media. i only rarely burn off DVDs as backups; i use my 500gig external instead as an archive Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Oct 2004 19:45    Post subject:
ace2k5 wrote:
From what Ive heard cd-rs last 100 years at least. Not sure about dvdrs So its good to know your cd-r discs are going to outlive you. Very Happy Wouldnt want to have important data die on me when Im alive. Very Happy


Hmm, from what I've heard it's harddrives that last so long. DVD'r and CD's should last 2-10 years.
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Sabrehawk




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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Nov 2004 05:36    Post subject:
Lifespan of ordinary CDs is reduced significantly if exposed to any
form of UV-Radiation (direct sunlight or if exposed long enough
ordinary daylight maybe even monitor radiation) i read somewhere
ages ago. In a other very interesting documentary about storage
technology it was said that any conventional data storage tech
availbable to home users does have a very low lifespan which can
be less than 20 years easily. This means technically the world is
heading for total information overkill , if the printed book or chemical
film will be more and more supressed by digital data conservation.
Digital data has to be migrated from old to new media types, systems
etc. There is already a huge problem with old digital data or code
that was using archaic machines or program languages (for instance
the huge data archives the East German Secret Service collected over
a period of nearly 40 years are almost impossible to decipher in modern
days due to the lack of proprieatary hardware and people who understand
the old techniques) . Transpond this to the future of current digital archivation methods and product standard lifecycles and you can imagine
where the world is heading to if the lack of more reliable storage
media / technologoy that will endure longer periods is not solved in a very
near future.
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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Nov 2004 19:35    Post subject:
On the other hand, batteries are a much bigger problem. Just think of all my "toys" that will stop working after 2-3 years if I don't buy a battery that probably won't be available at that time.
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nerrd




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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Nov 2004 19:28    Post subject:
I was kinda worried obut my cds falling apart untill I read couple of things.
from Kodak;
"The official position on the lifetime of KODAK Writable CD and Photo CD Media is "We predict the lifetime of KODAK Photo CD, and KODAK Writable CD Media with InfoGuard Protection System, under normal storage conditions in an office or home environment, should be 100 years or more." In our opinion, the official KODAK statement is well within the legitimate interpretation of this study. Under controlled conditions, our best estimate of the data life of these products is 217 years, which provides room to incorporate reasonable differences of opinion as to what constitutes "normal storage conditions."

and TDK;
"TDK rates the archival lifespan of its cyanine-based CD-R discs at 70 years (based on accelerated aging tests). This paper presents data that reflect TDK's decade-long research and development efforts in the field of optical recording media." .... " You'll notice that we specify our media for a lifespan of more than 70 years when stored at a temperature of 30° Centigrade -- about 86 ° Fahrenheit"

So either way its a good idea to check and copy your cd's to a newer media after about 20-30 years.
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2004 00:19    Post subject:
I had problem with EMTEC cdr's,bought about 6 month ago 25 of them & used for a long time till none of them worked i mean CRC error each one of them & all was burned games like MaxP2,BGE,,,, e.t.c,i thoughd it was my dvd burner then i plugged my old cd-rom lite on still same thing CRC errors on exact same location on each cd,that's sucked big time i mean i checked all my other burned cd's all kinda brands even cheap ones they worked perfect something wrong with EMTEC cd's thats for sure on the othe hand i can't even complain about them waranty & stuff like that cause of the game copys illegal Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2004 01:08    Post subject:
The first CD I ever got (that was burned), some 10 years ago (that cost about 50-ish bucks) still works today, it's really REALLY scratched, but with the surface-fixer all data is accessible.

Really cool stuff on it too... like all the good games back then on ONE CD Smile=


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Mortibus




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2004 01:46    Post subject:
fisk wrote:
The first CD I ever got (that was burned), some 10 years ago (that cost about 50-ish bucks) still works today, it's really REALLY scratched, but with the surface-fixer all data is accessible.

Really cool stuff on it too... like all the good games back then on ONE CD Smile=


I got u but none of my fkdup have any scratches Sad thats what sad about
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Accelleron




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2004 18:42    Post subject:
$50 for one CD-R?

lmao.

I hope it came with a certificate of authenticity, a big-assed box, and a personal message from God...


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fisk




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2004 19:17    Post subject:
They were really fucking expensive back then, and my CD-drive was external (SCSI) and cost a heapload of dough too.


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2004 21:25    Post subject:
i remember them beeing really expensive too. bruners were at horror prices too. stupid 1x burners hehe.


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fisk




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2004 22:48    Post subject:
Aah... the good old days when it took a full hour to burn a full CD.


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Dec 2004 22:54    Post subject:
yea, my first cd-writer was a philips 2600 scsi with 2x speed. Cost me 400 euro back in 1996. Some of the old cdr's are still readable, whereas some of the newer ones wich i burned last year on sony cdr's can't be read anymore, crap from sony Evil or Very Mad
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Accelleron




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2004 00:53    Post subject:
fisk wrote:
Aah... the good old days when it took a full hour to burn a full CD.


The first CD I ever burned cost me $0 and came with an AOL logo. It was one of those...

... oh, THAT kind of burning


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Steve-O 2004




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2004 13:31    Post subject:
hhmmm, my 5 year old or older CDR's / CDRWS and still working...


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2004 18:15    Post subject:
Steve-O 2004 wrote:
hhmmm, my 5 year old or older CDR's / CDRWS and still working...


same.
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Mortibus




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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Dec 2004 23:05    Post subject:
ELIZ wrote:
I had problem with EMTEC cdr's,bought about 6 month ago 25 of them & used for a long time till none of them worked i mean CRC error each one of them & all was burned games like MaxP2,BGE,,,, e.t.c,i thoughd it was my dvd burner then i plugged my old cd-rom lite on still same thing CRC errors on exact same location on each cd,that's sucked big time i mean i checked all my other burned cd's all kinda brands even cheap ones they worked perfect something wrong with EMTEC cd's thats for sure on the othe hand i can't even complain about them waranty & stuff like that cause of the game copys illegal Smile

I got from my friend lite-on dvd/cd-rw & tried all my cd's that i thought were scrued but they all worked some kinda mystery or all my other drives were bad Confused
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Steve-O 2004




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2004 17:22    Post subject:
whoKnows wrote:
yea, my first cd-writer was a philips 2600 scsi with 2x speed. Cost me 400 euro back in 1996. Some of the old cdr's are still readable, whereas some of the newer ones wich i burned last year on sony cdr's can't be read anymore, crap from sony Evil or Very Mad


yup, I got that CDRW (or a similar one) with my PC... Damn its was incredible speed Razz (joke) LOL.. Took years to burn a CDR, takes seconds to burn a CDR now.

Its insane how a PC Cost £1,400 - £2,000 for a P3 400mhz, 128mb PC100 SDRam machine!!! and now you can but the same machine for £50!!!! LOL

Did you know that when the First Ever computer was made there wsa only 5. and the guy that made computers said something liek "by the year 2000, there will be 200 computers in the world".. damn he was wrong Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2004 19:06    Post subject:
Steve-O 2004 wrote:
whoKnows wrote:
yea, my first cd-writer was a philips 2600 scsi with 2x speed. Cost me 400 euro back in 1996. Some of the old cdr's are still readable, whereas some of the newer ones wich i burned last year on sony cdr's can't be read anymore, crap from sony Evil or Very Mad


yup, I got that CDRW (or a similar one) with my PC... Damn its was incredible speed Razz (joke) LOL.. Took years to burn a CDR, takes seconds to burn a CDR now.

Its insane how a PC Cost £1,400 - £2,000 for a P3 400mhz, 128mb PC100 SDRam machine!!! and now you can but the same machine for £50!!!! LOL

Did you know that when the First Ever computer was made there wsa only 5. and the guy that made computers said something liek "by the year 2000, there will be 200 computers in the world".. damn he was wrong Razz

maybe he missed billions Very Happy
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