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 Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 02:01 Post subject: [OTHER] Console DRM is coming! |
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| Quote: | DRM its been all the buzz lately sparking much debate from gamers to developers alike but only for the PC platform. But in a most unexpected turn of events a leaked document from Microsoft reveals their next-gen console is not only is being planned but so is the new era of consoles.
The documents reveal that the console will require a internet connection to activate it to be able to play the new game inserted in it. Permanently tying that specific copy of the game to that specific console. Therefor ending any resales and even borrowing a game from a friend. Because the console requires a internet connection and each game will most likely have updated forms if ever beat this could make any would be pirates will have their console blacklisted and forcing them to buy a whole new console. Making this much more effective than any efforts that the PC has ever seen. The big question isn't how gamers will respond to this as its obviously going to have a negative response but rather how are popular stores such as GameStop going to cope with the loss of resales. Its safe to assume that we will be subjected to higher prices to make up for this loss.
Whether Nintendo or Sony plan on following Microsoft's lead is yet unknown and our attempt to contact Microsoft was left with no new information as they refuse to comment on the subject at this time. We here at GameSpot will keep you updated of any progress to this shocking news.
By Chris Watters, GameSpot Posted Sep 29, 2008 5:23 pm PT |
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/consoledrm/news.html?sid=6197696&tag=news;title
Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM console gamers... How they plan on banning consoles is evil.. this could kill console piracy. I'm a PC gamer for life and even I don't like this one bit this shit is going to far.
 Spoiler: | Yes this is just a joke. |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 02:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 02:56 Post subject: |
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i get it its a joke , but when you are banned from Live and they release a BUGGY game thats cool but only needs a patch to fix some thing you are left in the dark example : Bully (fixes performance with lower LOD on the screen) , Darkness (fixes two side missions that have bugs -" hitman list" and the "stolen harmonic" ) , Crack Down (clipping issues + vehicle physics) and others etc...
but yeah you could be right on this , you know the Install on the HDD option makes you wonder why the DVD is still needed hmmm ? so yeah new checks , new bans , new firmware to flash on your drive
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grimmmy
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 03:24 Post subject: |
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| Spiderman wrote: |
but yeah you could be right on this , you know the Install on the HDD option makes you wonder why the DVD is still needed hmmm ? so yeah new checks , new bans , new firmware to flash on your drive |
Please tell me that was also a joke?
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 03:48 Post subject: |
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Indeed my joke is actually plausible and could become reality. The security features could also be used as a trap rather then trying to stop the copy or playing of the game itself.
For example.
Final Fantasy XXII is cracked. Pirates enjoy and love the hell out of it.
Final Fantasy XXIII Appears to use the same protection. The scene cracks it in the exact same manner but little do they know that method is now caught. The spread of the game begins and with late bans similar to Valves VAC a week or two later people turn on their console and it refuses to do anything but tell you that your banned.
This method would hugely impact the console piracy scene as even if the scene beats the protection people could share fake scene releases and get people banned when they go and try to play it on their console because it will be recognized as a copy of the game and no one would know until their console gives them the finger.
Man I should go work for Microsoft or something.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 04:00 Post subject: |
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there is a reason why m$ haven't implemented anything to avoid ppl playing back ups completely
bans just ban u from xlive which most ppl would trade for free games, price of one console atm is barely price of two new games, so u can easily get new one if u still like to play on-line using copies, it's not like they ban u every day, month or even a year
on-line activation will never fly with consoles, coz there is always someone will be whining about not having inet connection, even tho it's practically impossible at present time, well maybe in alaska or similiar shitholes
besides it will only complicate things
nobody still knows how exactly m$ detects hacked consoles
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 04:32 Post subject: |
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this is complete bullshit
and what about ppl who have no internet connections. My buddy has PS3 and the 360 but no comp or internet (thats why he wants me to move in with him so he can have access to a nice rig and he knows I need the internet lol)
What happens to these people? are they just gunna be sol because they have no internet connection. I hope Microshit does this and Sony doesnt. Within a year, microsoft will be out of the console market
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 05:44 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | there is a reason why m$ haven't implemented anything to avoid ppl playing back ups completely
bans just ban u from xlive which most ppl would trade for free games, price of one console atm is barely price of two new games, so u can easily get new one if u still like to play on-line using copies, it's not like they ban u every day, month or even a year
on-line activation will never fly with consoles, coz there is always someone will be whining about not having inet connection, even tho it's practically impossible at present time, well maybe in alaska or similiar shitholes
besides it will only complicate things
nobody still knows how exactly m$ detects hacked consoles |
I'm sure it could be a reality someday so long as MS, Sony, and Nintendo all agreed to use method of protection. This would not doubt please developers and publishers. While it would never kill piracy it could force it underground. If PC gaming ever actually dies someday then you know that piracy on the consoles will make a giant leap as every PC gamer would eventually give in and buy the consoles. This would make console piracy so popular that it would grow into something the PC would never ever be capable of.
Banning the consoles and thus making it unactive would not only produce results in stopping the piracy but it would also boost the sales of the consoles as you would have to rebuy it and be a good little consumer for now on. Any legit games you previously owned would also have to be bought again as well. Killing the resale of any game would also make all sales recorded and make every party except stores like GameStop more money. It really would be a great way to increase profits so long that either every console gets behind it or developers and publishers demand it and only release games on the consoles that agree to it.
I could see it happening someday. The next generations of consoles? No... but someday. Whether or not PC gaming dies (which I don't think it will)
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 07:34 Post subject: |
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all that will happen is stores that have resales as part of their general income and rental stores will just plain refuse to support the console. Similar thing happened with the sega saturn when they did the suprise launch, all the big chains that werent included gave sega the finger and supported the playstation. When you hurt a huge part of a companys income by adding such a devestating form of DRM they'll just refuse to go out of their way to support it, and its easy to do, guy goes in to buy the DRMbox, you shrewdly tell your employers to push the competitions product. Or failing that you just refuse to stock any of their products.
And besides everyone with half a brain knows DRM doesnt actually work at all. Not even in the slightest. And if they did chose to go that way i'm sure the hacker elite will show them the errors of their ways. You know its the one thing Sony did right with the PS3 (as well as it being reliable) they made the platform semi open (custom levels on UT3, ability to install another OS) with the debacle of their own past DRM failings they seem to...for at least some part have seen the error in their ways.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 07:38 Post subject: |
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all that will happen is stores that have resales as part of their general income and rental stores will just plain refuse to support the console. Similar thing happened with the sega saturn when they did the suprise launch, all the big chains that werent included gave sega the finger and supported the playstation. When you hurt a huge part of a companys income by adding such a devestating form of DRM they'll just refuse to go out of their way to support it, and its easy to do, guy goes in to buy the DRMbox, you shrewdly tell your employers to push the competitions product. Or failing that you just refuse to stock any of their products.
And besides everyone with half a brain knows DRM doesnt actually work at all. Not even in the slightest. And if they did chose to go that way i'm sure the hacker elite will show them the errors of their ways. You know its the one thing Sony did right with the PS3 (as well as it being reliable) they made the platform semi open (custom levels on UT3, ability to install another OS) with the debacle of their own past DRM failings they seem to...for at least some part have seen the error in their ways.
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nightlith
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 07:53 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | ...and even borrowing a game from a friend. |
The second...nay the nanosecond this ever becomes a reality, I will never play a game again, and I will ensure that if any of my children, or their children, or their children's children want to see an inheritance they will never game either.
Also, my last moments on earth will be in silicon valley blowing shit the fuck up.
i can has computar?!
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 09:04 Post subject: |
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There were scare stories like this before the 360 was released.
I remember people saying you wouldn't be able to buy & sell second hand games for that...
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 11:16 Post subject: |
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Joke or not, this would never work, Sony originally planned to do something similar with the PS3 but doing so is just business suicide.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 14:38 Post subject: |
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maybe the planning to do this in their Windows 7 too...
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 20:53 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 21:20 Post subject: |
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| mcmanic wrote: | | not going to happen, |
we just have to wait and see......
it's clear they are going to improve the protection against piracy
somehow.....
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 22:15 Post subject: |
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Why go through all this trouble if you can just make your console unmoddable, like the PS3? 60 gb per game also kills the fun of downloading slightly. With the Xbox 360 even retards are able to play pirated games, even online.
Ofcourse Microsoft knows (and knew) about this and even encouraged it, to get ahead of the more powerful PS3. Smart move. Ofcourse legal xbox owners started to complain, so the bans started. Everybody happy: Microsoft, pirating gamers and legal gamers.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Sep 2008 23:00 Post subject: |
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last thing m$ concerned about are customers, otherwise 360 wouldn't had so many failed units
they banned/banning ppl just so u can get another one which is umodable atm [at least latest lite-on's and so on], then u can get new drive etc
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Oct 2008 18:13 Post subject: |
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it really seems that in the next few years
Piracy in gaming will disappear.
the PS3 has yet to be cracked,and all the "ISO LOADERS"
and hacks are fakes
it's quite precedent,in next Gen consoles
all the consoles will use similar system protection,and
it will came to the PC hardware too eventually.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2008 08:04 Post subject: |
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they can win in one hand but lose in another.. since i bet most of you have a xbox because it is easy to play copy games..
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Rudolph
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