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yes !
hl 2 is very linear and a lot of scripting events !
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 15:18 Post subject: |
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I think we had the most freedom and non-lineair gameplay in Operation Flashpoint. I hope the sequel comes out soon, it's still in development.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 15:45 Post subject: |
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| Mchart wrote: | WoW is not the best MMORPG ever, why? The game is basically everquest but warcraft. It brings nothing new to the MMO game scene gameplay wise. And the developers for WoW even stated that in a dev chat session. As for graphics in WoW, give me a fucking break. SWG or even Planetside or even EVE Online have better graphics then WoW. I bet you didnt know this, but the game does actually use the warcraft 3 engine, and there really is nothing special to the games graphics at all. It has bland over cartoony textures, and models which look like a D3D 7.0 game. Get over the hype, it isnt as good as you want it to be. Take a gander at a screenshot from SWG (which sucks also BTW, I played it for 6 months, I know) and a screenshot from WoW. The WoW screenshot makes you want to vomit at the level of regression there. WoW diserves shit. While I played WoW for almost 3 months during closed beta, I realised that, and have not played it since. WoW was good for one thing I guess though, it got me 150 dollars for selling my closed beta account. 
You want a good MMO game, you should try city of heroes, or EVE Online, or wait for www.imperatoronline.com to come out. All other MMO games out there at the moment besides the three that I just mentioned, are either:
A.) Buggy Shit
B.) Stupid Gameplay
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I'm in the closed beta and WoW is fucking great. I would have taken your post seriously if you would have written something logical, for instance something about the gameplay, but you didn't, and i don't. Largest part of your post you bash the graphics of WoW which are of no special importance to me and i do not rate games by graphics, i do think that WoW has a beautiful lush world, which is put together very very nicley. And the 3 things you mentioned in the last part of your post truely is ignorant and makes no sense to me at all.... |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 15:50 Post subject: |
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| FakeBitchKillah.inc wrote: | yes !
hl 2 is very linear and a lot of scripting events !
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LOL i bet that hurt cheez-it, as he wrote an entire book. |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 16:35 Post subject: |
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1: Battle for middle-earth
2: World of warcraft
3: GTA San andreas
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 16:37 Post subject: |
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| mollan wrote: | 1: Battle for middle-earth
2: World of warcraft
3: GTA San andreas |
Lol, BFME hasn´t even been released yet how can you rate it num1? |
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 18:47 Post subject: |
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| Steeven wrote: | 1: Still the story is cheap, especially the ending, what a anti-climax
2: Far Cry was less lineair then Halflife 2 is.
3: Yes the graphics are nice, but I am not a graphic-whore. I hope games do not become GOTY just because they look good. The engine is great, but not eworkd out great in the game.
4: I finished it in 2 days and still want my money back. If it wasn't for Day of Defeat source and other mods I already would have gone back to the store.
5: Not everyone likes Counter-Strike. And the mods will take a long time to complete.
Definitly not worthy of the GOTY title. What I especially missed was that Halflife-feeling. Now it felt like a Arnold Schwarzenegger movie without a serious plot. We have enough of that games.
If we compare Rome to Shogun or Medieval, it is a huge, HUGE step forwarts. Even compared to Generals or something like that it is something completely different. It is new and I still play it, unlike Halflife 2. Halflife2 is one of the most overrated games and because magazines were hyping it they had to give it a 9 or higher. Bullshit.
Halflife 2 is not a bad game, don't get me wrong, but really not worthy of GOTY title. |
1.) I thought the ending was great, it leaves it open for interpretation, what more do you want? *spoilers*
Should they have shown a giant explosion and TOLD everyone without a doubt people died? Or that they were warped some funky place? As it is they leave in a large amount open for interpretation, and I think it works out much nicer than giving a solid answer for an ending...
2.) Far Cry was JUST AS LINEAR as Half-Life 2 the only difference? the linear path was SLIGHTLY WIDER. That's it. It's not like you could beat a level in multiple ways, there was always a SINGLE WAY. Just because you have more room to run around doesn't mean it's less linear.
3.) I thought the engine "worked out" great in the game... As I said before instead of retarded find the key routines you had to think. Graphics don't make a game, but you CANNOT tell me that they do not add to it. That would be ludicrous. So we should be playing amazing text based games eh? ....
4.) Can you name a first person game that DID NOT take 2 days to finish, if played the same amount? I certainly can't unless they were crappy games that were totally drawn out and less intricately made... Oh wait, that add on pack for that shitty game took longer! And this is an argument for not game of the year? Ass.
5.) Not everyone likes counter-strike is true. But a hell of a lot of people do. For such an old game you'd have to agree that it's pretty popular. And the people who DON'T like it usually list the wrong reasons... They say that it's filled with immature players... Well then IGNORE THEM or find a server without them. They complain that it's not balanced. PRACTICE THE GAME and get good. NO GAME WILL BE BALANCED when skill is a factor. Albeit if two people are equal strength there is generally a favored side for a particular map, so you balance out the teams skillwise, or wait till the map changes.... I don't even know what else there is to pick on. I suppose it could use more maps, but people are working on them now and it comes with plenty. The hitboxes aren't perfect. For someone skilled this can be a pain in the ass, but you get used to it, I've been playing for years and am willing to let this go...
I'll argue more later I have a research paper to write.......
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 19:15 Post subject: |
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1: Its not only the ending, its within the whole game. Your being chased constantly, thats almost the only thing you know. That sucks. The ending was like a cheap B-movie where we have to wait another 5 years to know how it ends, thats why it sucks.
2: Well, maybe it was. But I mentioned Operation Flashpoint too, that game had multiple endings for each mission. It owns Halflife 2 all the way in non-lineair gameplay.
3: I almost hear people only talking about the graphics. Or the action. And both are good, but not GOTY material.
4: Well, for example: Far Cry, Rome Total War, Pirates, NFS:U2, Vampires...need I go on? Believe me, I played all as much, or more, as HL2. I wasn't even triggered to start a new game with HL2. Thats what you get when you script the whole fucking game.
5: Most CS-oldies dislike Source very much. It basically is still a beta and it sucks, according to them. I play CS since 6.5 and until 1.3 I hated it more and more. And then there was Source, bringing back the fun. I like it, but the numbers tell that most people still play 1.6 and not Source.
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trinya`
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 19:18 Post subject: |
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My vote goes to football manager 2005!!!
Although the game has a few bugs, the game is very addicting and smooth.
It can keep you in the game not like any other. Every time You wanna stop, you get the feeling to play one another game, and when you looked up again, then its already 2 hours later:P
| Quote: | | 3.) I thought the engine "worked out" great in the game... As I said before instead of retarded find the key routines you had to think. Graphics don't make a game, but you CANNOT tell me that they do not add to it. That would be ludicrous. So we should be playing amazing text based games eh? .... |
And yes amazing text based games is very good
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 19:54 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: | | 2.) Far Cry was JUST AS LINEAR as Half-Life 2 the only difference? the linear path was SLIGHTLY WIDER. That's it. It's not like you could beat a level in multiple ways, there was always a SINGLE WAY. Just because you have more room to run around doesn't mean it's less linear. |
It's true that at the end of each level there were only one way to end it in farcry. But before the end of each level you had multiple solutions for the different objectives. So no Farcry was not even close to hl2 when it comes to linear gameplay. Completing objectives is part of completing the level you know.
For example. In the first level you are supposed to take a jeep. But you dont even have to do this, you can just skip it and walk the long walk straight to the next objective which would be the huge ship. You can also grab the jeep stealthly or by going havok. This is what openended gameplay is.
And this is the reasons why farcry is way less linear than HL2 is.
To stay on topic. My GOTY is a console game and it is Metal gear solid 3 without a doubt.
Many games have been fun on the pc but not that fun to make it GOTY in my opinion.
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 20:38 Post subject: |
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1)hl2 (unpossible to top that)
2)painkiller and farcry
3)warhammer
4)wow
5)joint ops
bi0 ?!
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trinya`
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 20:42 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And trinya`... "And yes amazing text based games is very good" people who say this are a fraction of the gaming population, while almost the entire gaming population enjoys amazing FPS games, or at least appreciates them. And don't tell me more people do like text based games... If they did you could find them on shelves in stores |
Hmmm.... I dont think you follow the game industry just good as me..
Sigames/Sega has already sold more than 50.000 copies of the game and was at the start of this year 1 of the most eagerly waiting game of the year next to HL2.
Also I think that Far Cry indeed is a lot better... HL2 really disappointed me, it has only the incredible physics, but it really lacks the "refreshing" gameplay and story, which far cry does have... The AI of far cry was a lot better and challenging, while HL2 is less difficult. Also i want to mention that the source engine doesn't entirely overpowered Cry engine, which was expected, instead at some point I really doubt of Valve has really pull out of the engine.
You say that the entire gaming population enjoys FPS, but I think you get it wrong, the best pcgame ever is GTA3 and a lot of gamers I know play rts and mmoprh rather than doom3/HL2.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 20:48 Post subject: |
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HL2 is GOTY by far.
I even thought the story was decent although it seems to have been a touch too subtle for some.
Im a cockfag
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 20:53 Post subject: |
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Anyone else notice the new-game-great-game-phenomenon on these forums?
HL2 is leading in about every list on this forum. Best graphics, best gameplay, best story etc.
I'd say... if we have to choose a game of the year, only games that are older than 3 months should be allowed to mention. New good games kind of make people think it's the best they ever played. And this effects lasts quite some time. I'm pretty sure opinions on hl2 will change after 2 months or so. People will have played it, thought over the game, hype will lay down and then they'll see that hl2 is just another good fps game released this year. Ask 3 months ago what the best game of the year was, and everyone would have said doom3. Nowadays, every person who has a bit of objectivity would say far cry was the better game than doom3. 2 years ago, when rtcw came out at the end of the year, it leaded alomst every game of the year list. It took 3 months for the people to notice that it was just another fps. Same will happen to hl2.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 21:55 Post subject: |
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| trinya` wrote: | | Quote: | | And trinya`... "And yes amazing text based games is very good" people who say this are a fraction of the gaming population, while almost the entire gaming population enjoys amazing FPS games, or at least appreciates them. And don't tell me more people do like text based games... If they did you could find them on shelves in stores |
Hmmm.... I dont think you follow the game industry just good as me..
Sigames/Sega has already sold more than 50.000 copies of the game and was at the start of this year 1 of the most eagerly waiting game of the year next to HL2.
Also I think that Far Cry indeed is a lot better... HL2 really disappointed me, it has only the incredible physics, but it really lacks the "refreshing" gameplay and story, which far cry does have... The AI of far cry was a lot better and challenging, while HL2 is less difficult. Also i want to mention that the source engine doesn't entirely overpowered Cry engine, which was expected, instead at some point I really doubt of Valve has really pull out of the engine.
You say that the entire gaming population enjoys FPS, but I think you get it wrong, the best pcgame ever is GTA3 and a lot of gamers I know play rts and mmoprh rather than doom3/HL2. |
The best PC game ever is GTA3...plz.... |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 22:24 Post subject: |
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| Cheez-It wrote: | Did you REALLY just say "For example. In the first level you are supposed to take a jeep. But you dont even have to do this, you can just skip it and walk the long walk straight to the next objective which would be the huge ship." So how about in Half-Life 2 when you get the buggy. You could ALSO walk. Same with the Boat, you could swim. You don't have to "take" a vehicle in HL2, but you can approach any situation with either stealth or running out guns blazing. There are more options for stealth in Far-Cry because of the area it takes place in.... This does not mean it's "more linear"
Half-Life 2 doesn't even have "multiple objectives", at least not explicit spelled out ones like far cry... wait, wouldn't explicit objectives be considered "linear"? You're helping my argument  |
No objectives are linear when you have to do them, when you cant do anything about them, but this you can in farcry. As in the example i said, you dont even have to do that objective. That is nonlinear gameplay.
In half-life 2 you walk from point a to point b and you cant do shit about it.
Or walk here and destroy this thing or there to open that door etc etc. So yes there are abunch of objectives in half-life2 and you HAVE to do every one of them in the right order or you wont be able to continue the game 
Ofcourse there are some parts like this also in farcry but there is a variaty in farcry like the example i said earlier. This is not the case with half-life 2.
Games have to have some linear gameplay to suit every gamers but it's when games ONLY have this straight path that you cant do anything about it becomes bad in my opinion. A combination of both is the best thing and farcry have both.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 22:26 Post subject: |
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Strategy : Rome Total War
Quest : Broken Sword 3 (Was it 2003 or 2004 ? if 2003 sorry)
Online : RYL (Risk your life) - VERY underated. VERY. How about u all try it out ? WoW dosent even goes near it. www.ryl.net - BEST MMORPG game EVER.
Shooter : ???? No good shooters this year.
Sports : Underground 2
Top Games of ALL time:
Mafia - IT OWNZ GTA series by EVERYTHING (Especially story)
Rune - Can't stop playing it...
Broken Sword (1 and 2) - George Stobbart OWNZ
Raven shield (ONLINE) - Liked it before all the haxorz came...
Shannara - Touching story!!! Damn great game
Settlers 2 - Yea, those pixel-made humans ownz all the strategy games of all time.
About Hitman: Movie (2007)
Vin Diesel is a hardcore gamer, and absolutely loves the Hitman series. For that reason I have faith that he wont destroy the movie.
Response: Well, Uwe Boll probably loved the Alone in the Dark games.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 22:44 Post subject: |
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mafia is damn good but didnt own gta on drivin. i woulda liked the speed limit to be 60 not 40. pissed me off having to go back. great game though, andthe storyline is like goodfellas part 2 ..... 3 mob guys, both have a side business going, 1 of the guys gets popped off, u hand urself in and get put under witness protection. the only difference is a few race tracks, some names, a bit of coke and u die at the end of mafia . anyway hl2 will win goty and we'll prolly find out in a few months.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 22:46 Post subject: |
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Well, as for Doom 3, Far Cry and HL2, I'm not sure they can fit in a games section because all of them are big technical demos. In this section, the best for me is HL2 even if I'm not a big fan. But I must say that it impressed me with this nice graphics even with a small graphic card. But even with that, it can't be a GOTY because of a too classical storyline, because it's too much linear and too scripted...
GOTY for me is "Rome Total War".
Shroom
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Cheez-It
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Nov 2004 22:54 Post subject: |
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| trinya` wrote: | Hmmm.... I dont think you follow the game industry just good as me..
Sigames/Sega has already sold more than 50.000 copies of the game and was at the start of this year 1 of the most eagerly waiting game of the year next to HL2.
Also I think that Far Cry indeed is a lot better... HL2 really disappointed me, it has only the incredible physics, but it really lacks the "refreshing" gameplay and story, which far cry does have... The AI of far cry was a lot better and challenging, while HL2 is less difficult. Also i want to mention that the source engine doesn't entirely overpowered Cry engine, which was expected, instead at some point I really doubt of Valve has really pull out of the engine.
You say that the entire gaming population enjoys FPS, but I think you get it wrong, the best pcgame ever is GTA3 and a lot of gamers I know play rts and mmoprh rather than doom3/HL2. |
We could debate this all night. I played through both games. In my, and many others opinion, Half-Life 2 easily beat out Far-Cry, that's not what's being debated here. The thing that you would have an easier time arguing is whether HL2 deserves GOTY over titles such as WoW and RTW... HL2 and these games are just on a completely different playing field than Far Cry...
And text based games? I'm sorry, theres really no point arguing that they are just as good as games with graphics...
Anyone who names Mafia above GTA, then declares their love for the game rune shouldn't be taken seriously Who honestly thinks there was no good shooter released this year? You must be completely insane.
RTW definately comes closest of the other games though....
You'll have to excuse this post if it's a bit jumpy... just woke up 
oh and one last thing... When considering which game should get GOTY, shouldn't you take into account replayability? Not only does HL2 have Counter-Strike Source, but there are many mods on the way...
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FarCry #1 "the graphics, the engine, the scenere, the plot, the weapons, the chick"
Doom3 #2 "Id, engine, sound, weapons, the plot, the boss's"
Rome Total War #3 "graphics, engine, sound, total war map,battles,units,etc..."
The Suffering #4 "no coment........freakin terrorized when i rememebr this one..."
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004 09:18 Post subject: |
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PC: Half Life 2
Console: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Dec 2004 09:23 Post subject: |
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far cry story? puh-lease.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004 09:42 Post subject: |
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| soap* wrote: | PC: Half Life 2
Console: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas |
I second that.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004 10:22 Post subject: |
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funny how the best games were the shortest... HL2 then Warhammer... superdooper short games
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Dec 2004 10:33 Post subject: |
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| MAD_MAX333 wrote: | | funny how the best games were the shortest... HL2 then Warhammer... superdooper short games |
Well it doesn't give you a chance to get bored of it.
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