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the last swansong for ps2, finally out *drool*
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2008 14:12 Post subject: |
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yeah, should be a good one... has an average of 93.9% thus-far after 15 editorial reviews.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2008 16:53 Post subject: |
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Great game...if you liked Persona 3 u will like it too ^^
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2008 18:32 Post subject: |
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played it now for a few hours...no big changes from persona 3 (completely different plot though), but you now finally have a map and can give orders to other party members like in any other jrpg. gfx suck bigtime as always, but i don't care as the gameplay and story hold up.
@reklis: try the new psxe2 (version 9.0.4 i think), it ran persona3 great and should have no problem with p4. btw, you're not missing much if you haven't played the FES expansion...really loved p3, but the exp campaign was a pos imho.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2008 18:53 Post subject: |
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Yeah, PCSX2 v0.9.5 svn 384 (cust.) plays this series at full speed flawlessly on my rig. with the speed hack enabled "R.Mode Mod" give it a shot -- some emulated games work well on my Dual Core laptop too fairly decently, PCSX doesnt' work too well with any single core systems.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2008 19:38 Post subject: |
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Same. Persona 3 runs *flawlessly* on my current PC with PCSX2 0.9.5 svn396 (pp402)
Seen reports on NGEMU forums that Persona 4 runs exactly the same as Persona 3.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2008 23:35 Post subject: |
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...any tips? I'm getting poor frame rates (check my XFIRE page for PC specs) and sound is either slow or if I untick that time changing option; choppy and repeating. Wish my PS2 wasn't broken... and my PS3, you know, had backwards compatibility 
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Dec 2008 23:37 Post subject: |
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One simple tip for you, my man; clock clock clock.
PCSX2 is massively dependant on core speed. A 2.3Ghz Core2 will struggle to get playable framerates on most any 3D game - and even a few 2D ones - but push that baby to 3Ghz and you'll be flying.
If you ask on the NGEMU forum you'll be told pretty much the same thing; clock that baby!
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 00:04 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Same. Persona 3 runs *flawlessly* on my current PC with PCSX2 0.9.5 svn396 (pp402)
Seen reports on NGEMU forums that Persona 4 runs exactly the same as Persona 3. |
Maybe flawlessly means something else in your dictionary. You see, I happen to have a PS2 and I also happen to dick around with PCSX2 quiet alot. No game runs flawlessly on that emu. Even the games that are advertised working 100% on PCSX2 aren't actually working flawlessly.
Yes you can make some parts of the game look better with emulator, like higher res. But it never actually feels like you are playing at 60 fps even when you are. 60 fps on PS2 feels exactly what it should - silky smooth gameplay. 60 fps in PCSX2 feels nothing like PS2, it feels like 30 fps actually.
Oh and not to mention all kinds of gfx bugs, sound bugs, gameplay bugs. PS2 emulation is shit at this moment.
You can fool yourself all you want that it's just like PS2 and that games run on PCSX2 flawlessly but they don't.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 00:41 Post subject: |
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Oh, I'm dreadfully sorry.. I didn't realise you "dicked around with PCSX2 quite a lot" My sincere apologies, I guess I must be utterly wrong then.
Nope. Not locked 60fps framerate here. Nope. Absolutely not perfect graphics with no issues or glitches, definitely not. There's no way the game doesn't crash for me, not a chance.
Look bud, you may dick around with it a lot - but I've been using and tweaking it since it first got release. You obviously haven't played with it enough to know that YES, some games DO run flawlessly. The following are games that run with ZERO issues for me;
Persona 3/FES
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XII
So please, and I honestly mean no offense with this, but keep your unfounded opinions to yourself. Full speed means FULL SPEED. Not "60fps in PCSX2 means 30fps realllllly" because that's horseshit. Try using a PP revision, or something a bit more recent than 0.9.4, if you don't believe me. I'm not saying the EMULATOR is flawless, because it isn't, but certain games DO run flawless - whether you believe it or not.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 01:57 Post subject: |
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Heh nerd rage, well that was expected from you. I used the latest version and tons of SVN's and dailes, with every popular gfx (zeroGS, GSDX), sound, controller plugins available. Please don't spread your biased BS for me, I know exactly how PCSX2 runs all the games you mentioned in and out AND I compared them side by side with the actual PS2.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 02:00 Post subject: |
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What nerd rage? I haven't lost my temper nor am I annoyed, I'm just setting the record straight. You're saying that because they don't work for you, then they don't work for ANYONE -- and I honestly expected a more mature and logical discussion out of you.
I can provide any proof you wish about the titles I listed. Seriously, I have no reason to lie about this man. Tell me what you want and I'll prove it to you (as will hundreds of others on the NGEMU forum - home forum for the PCSX2 devs)
I'm being deadly serious here (and I, too, have a PS2.. so I know exactly how these games are supposed to run) and if you're getting poor performance on an E6750 at 3.2Ghz, you're configuring something wrong. I'll help you, if you want.
(though I still can't get Wild ARMs Alter Code F working properly.. *sigh* As I said, the emulator isn't perfect)
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 02:08 Post subject: |
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Oh dear, did you even read my posts? Did you see 60FPS I mentioned? Well from your reply it's obvious you didn't. So I'll repeat myself: I had no problems with the actual performance. I left the numbers behind and tried to explain how the games actually feel. And PCSX2 emulated games even at native 60FPS don't feel nearly as smooth as on PS2.
You don't need to prove me anything, I almost finished FFX with PCSX2, I know exactly where I had a crash, where I saw glitchy textures or where I heard choppy audio playback. I have extreme attention to detail, so your definition of flawlessly is obviously different than mine.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 02:15 Post subject: |
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Then you did something wrong, or were using different plugins bud. I give you my word, for what it's worth, FFX is perfect. Audio, framerate (it's not choppy in any way, nor is it glitchy or missing textures) and zero crashes or issues. If your version had choppy audio playback, you were using the wrong plugin. If your version wasn't as smooth as the PS2, you had an incorrectly configured GPU plugin.
Do you want my plugin and config setup? You can try it again to see if it makes a difference.
You can call me a liar all you wish, or you can say that my attention to detail is somewhat inferior to yours, but hundreds of other people disagree with you --- FFX is emulated near-perfectly, as long as you config the emu properly and have adequate PC specs (you DO have the PC for it, so it's obviously a plugin/setup issue)
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 02:19 Post subject: |
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Post a PCSX2 screenshot of FFX please, with some characters visible.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 02:53 Post subject: |
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looks awesome, especially if you consider how old ffx is
but guys, don't go OT. split the thread or make a new one for pcsx2 discussion
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 02:55 Post subject: |
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PS2 version of FFX looks considerably worse than that, my man. Just like ePSXe, PCSX2 has the ability to upscale the internal resolution. The window size is 512x416, but the ACTUAL size of all the internal resolution is 1024x1024 with some nice AA too.
Oh and sorry about the OT.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 02:55 Post subject: |
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No that's enough thanks. BTW eww you are playing inferior PAL version. Anyway, on to my point.
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Circled areas are where you can see textures glitching, very common in FFX emulated with PCSX2. Textures in circled areas are not supposed to be darker. It's hard to see because in most of the pics characters are far away, but in a few close ups I found them. And that's just 2 random screenshots, there are tons of glitches like that on many characters throughout the game. In some places hair looks messed up and other stuff. Now add some random sound glitches, possible crashes, the need of messing with PCSX2 settings and different versions for hours and hours. It all adds up to NOT FLAWLESSLY.
But I agree FFX is the best emulated game so far, with least issues.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 02:59 Post subject: |
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Actually, those texture clipping issues that you circled are present in the REAL version of FFX. The PS2 *has* clipping issues, bud.
As for the rest.. why won't you listen to me? *sigh* I don't GET sound glitches. I don't GET crashes and I use the very same PCSX2 config as I do for ALL my games (except DaZ, which is disabled unless I'm running Rogue Galaxy) -- and that's just from FFX. Shall I post Persona images? FFXII? FFX-2?
Can we just agree to disagree, please? I don't want to argue, but it's obvious we're not going to agree on this. I never said the emulator was perfect, but some games are as close to perfect as we're ever going to see -- and they look, and run, better than the original console counterparts (faster loading, no framerate issues in games that normally slow down, better IQ, etc etc)
One last thing! Inferior in only one way; framerate. The PAL version has the Dark Aeons as well as all the other goodies that the original NTSC release didn't have -- and even outside the emulator, the PAL release has a higher resolution 
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 03:00 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Actually, those texture clipping issues that you circled are present in the REAL version of FFX. |
Textures I circled aren't darker in native PS2 version.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 03:01 Post subject: |
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No, but hair and textures in clothing DO clip and disappear in the original -- symptoms you described and attributed to the emulator alone.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 03:06 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | No, but hair and textures in clothing DO clip and disappear in the original -- symptoms you described and attributed to the emulator alone. |
Yes I know it's hard to explain but in PCSX2 emulation they clip and glitch even more.
Speaking of Rogue Galaxy in that, if I remember correctly, shadows aren't visible as well as shit load of glitches. But maybe they fixed some of that recently.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 13:25 Post subject: |
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4 is a direct sequel to 3 and it takes place 14 months after the events of the first one. A few characters are recurring, but mainly it's a self-contained story. I guess you could play #3 in order to get some starting ground..
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 19:20 Post subject: |
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This is painful. I finally get the sound working but now the graphics are crapping out. Now I get the graphics working and the sound is running at a reduced speed again, although at least it's a quality sound and not choppy. I wonder whether I'll ever get it working at a satisfactory balance between the two because I'm really not wanting to have to go out and buy a PS2 at around 60-100 pounds for just one game
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Dec 2008 21:04 Post subject: |
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I've not tried Persona 4 yet, but according to the PCSX2 forum.. it runs pretty much the same as P3 and P3-FES do .. so that should be nigh-perfect :-\
For audio, try the latest SVN release of ZeroSPU2 0.4.6 and for graphics, try switching between GSdx 0.1.12 or ZeroGS 0.97.1 and see which gives you the least graphical issues. With GSdx I get a TON of texture issues on the ground, whereas ZeroGS has considerably less and sometimes just has a flicker-texture problem.
As for audio being slower than normal, you could disable Time Stretching or Real Time in ZeroSPU2 .. as those settings try to sync the audio to the game and if you're running slower than 100%, the audio will too.
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