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 Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 03:58 Post subject: |
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yaaaaaa, like they are going to shut down THAT division. IT's one of their hugest money makers. IF anything they'll shut down their shitty PC divison/mp3 players/cameras
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 04:05 Post subject: |
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The reason they are shutting down is overstock. The systems just aren't selling.
I have a PSP and it's cool but just not supported so well. I see the PS3 going this route and will avoid it till other better news.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 04:18 Post subject: |
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well they fucked up the SDK for the PS3 making it difficult to develop for, they used their retarded blu-ray player in it and included the price tag in the system. So ya it's no wonder they don't sell. But still, it's their main money maker.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 05:14 Post subject: |
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I like the first comment: " ultimate 360 fanboy win?"
But seriously, I have my doubts about them shutting down their entire gaming division. They'll at least keep PS2's and PSP's, and games like God of War, Gran Turismo, etc, will still be released.
Sony desperately needs to drop the price of the PS3, but can't. Sales of consoles and software make up only ~9% of their revenues ( http://www.answers.com/topic/sony , EDIT: old data here, right after PS2 release so I'm not sure about current revenues ). It could all come crashing down, but I don't know how they could get out without things getting ugly.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 05:28 Post subject: |
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I think Sony will do as much as it can to keep its console alive and continue to make more in the future. They honestly can't let a investment like the PS3 go to waste even if the console failed to bring them what they expected. If they stick it out despite losses who know what profits they may see in the future. Who knows how much success the next console they make will have even more so since they learned from their mistakes (hopefully). If their next console is a hit then they won't need to worry about how the PS3 did.
Look at Nintendo with the Gamecube if they simply gave up they would have never had the success of the Wii. If Nintendo can make a comeback so can Sony. I really doubt they will end up like Sega.
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Surray
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 09:47 Post subject: |
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not going to happen.
what a ridiculous rumor is that? would be more fitting as an april fools joke.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 10:09 Post subject: |
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Why is everyone saying its their biggest moneymaker? Last thing I read is that they may break even on the cost this year. So that means they are currently still losing money on each sold console. Seems to me a pretty good reason to drop it. Or at least the PSP, since that has failed in more ways than one.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 10:37 Post subject: |
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| LOTG wrote: | | Why is everyone saying its their biggest moneymaker? Last thing I read is that they may break even on the cost this year. So that means they are currently still losing money on each sold console. Seems to me a pretty good reason to drop it. Or at least the PSP, since that has failed in more ways than one. |
You Sir know nothing of economics.
OP is a troll.
http://kotaku.com/5124018/sony-looking-forward-to-ps3-exclusives-in-2009-psp-not-so-much
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 10:45 Post subject: |
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Both links use Kotaku as sources for Sony's Financial news and endeavors ?
I take gaming news from there with a pinch of salt.....
| sabin1981 wrote: | but you know what Chinese whispers are like; some newbie will read your comment and suddenly run and spread it all over the internet that the new 2010 Banwave disables all your XBLA games when you're banned.
Ironic Statement #4756 from sabin |
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2009 11:54 Post subject: |
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complete bullshit and moved accordingly
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 03:44 Post subject: |
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PS3 is over engineered, complex to produce and apparently even more complex to support. It's going to fade out during 2009, they'll stop making them and try keep the brand alive until they've cleared their and retailers stocks.
Wii won, 360 is somewhere in the middle and PS3 lost. It's that simple. :/
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 08:52 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | PS3 is over engineered, complex to produce and apparently even more complex to support. It's going to fade out during 2009, they'll stop making them and try keep the brand alive until they've cleared their and retailers stocks.
Wii won, 360 is somewhere in the middle and PS3 lost. It's that simple. :/ |
But... my crystal balls says otherwise. Look here! They say that the Wii will lose next year because of France attacking Poland and spreading Lyme disease.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 08:57 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | Frant wrote: | PS3 is over engineered, complex to produce and apparently even more complex to support. It's going to fade out during 2009, they'll stop making them and try keep the brand alive until they've cleared their and retailers stocks.
Wii won, 360 is somewhere in the middle and PS3 lost. It's that simple. :/ |
But... my crystal balls says otherwise. Look here! They say that the Wii will lose next year because of France attacking Poland and spreading Lyme disease. |
Yes, if you ignore common sense, the power of history and a basic knowledge of economy.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 09:10 Post subject: |
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With all the 'Xbots' here at nforce, I'm not suprised the overall majority believe that Playstation division will shut down, or that PS3 won't survive 2009.
I think it's just popcorn news tho 
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 09:30 Post subject: |
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Even the most hardcore xbox fans should realize that Sony pulling the plug would only be a bad thing. Competition is always good, if Xbox were the only 'cutting-edge' console (wii hardly counts, it's more for casual/social fun than proper gaming) MS would have less incentive to improve their games, consoles and service.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 10:00 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Yes, if you ignore common sense, the power of history and a basic knowledge of economy. |
Even the most basic of amateur economists stay away from predicting the future. Particularly a whole years prognosis.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 10:25 Post subject: |
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They're not gonna close anything down, they're gonna do the same thing microsoft does. Rearrange a couple of things, not close down a whole division. Kotakus article is very different from others.
I just bought a 360 because of Gears of War2, i was happy with the buy until i realised there are almost no games. Microsoft really got to announce some huge titles this spring for me to keep it. Ps3 does have some pretty good looking titles this year.
Could be the grass is always greener.....
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 11:05 Post subject: |
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On the subject of PS3, one of the thing that I've been somewhat annoyed with is SONY's repeated denial of issues with their consoles. For example Microsoft have acknowledged that the red ring of death is an established risk with owning their consoles - while Sony has yet to come out with any such statements. The fact is that a vast majority of the PS3-owners have suffered the "dead BlueRay drive"-error code, and some also the YLOD (Yellow Light of Death). These issues are as widespread among PS3-owners as they (well, the ring of death in their case) are among XBOX360-owners.
One of the main reasons why I purchased a PS3 over the XBOX360 was because there was an illusion regarding the "quality" of the Sony PS3. I say illusion, because foraging around Ps3-forums shows the opposite. And I feel that the XBOX360 has received a somewhat biased harsh criticism for it's hardware. If anything it's Nintendo that should be called the best build quality. As far as I know the Wii doesn't suffer problems anywhere near the PS3 and the 360. However, then again... the hardware in the Wii is also behind both the 360 and the PS3, and the target audiences are much broader.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 12:02 Post subject: |
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i didn't purchase a console due to that same reason
360 = RROD
PS3 = expensive , YLOD etc
I built a PC instead that will serve to other stuff than gaming too
PS3 has some pretty decent games coming to it , now that most games are multiplatform etc
it just got out pretty early than its time (with the blu ray , complicated SDK etc)
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 12:24 Post subject: |
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I haven't had a console since the Atari 2600 when I was a very young kid. I have no bias towards one brand or another, that whole fanboy-nonsense stems from some need people have to defend their purchase and feel good about it.
I often see the comment: "the Wii doesn't count blabla".. Why doesn't it count? It's outsold either console by several degrees. Nintendo made a great gamble on how bleeding edge performance weren't the right direction this particular genre. Instead they guessed that the market for casual gaming would grow exponentially (a guess that paid off) and focused their efforts for that market. In my opinion they struck gold. Even from day 1 they made money off each sold console (by $100/console I think), something neither MS nor Sony managed to do even today (not sure if the new Jasper revision have pushed each sold 360 into black), and Sony won't be able to push down manufacturing costs on PS3 to reach equilibrium in any foreseeable future. Sony took the obvious route to make the most powerful and complex console they could design in what they thought would be a fierce technological battle between MS and Sony. They overshot their target though and made the hardware too complex to build, too complex to develop easily for and too expensive to push the numbers needed to have a really healthy games market. The 360 have cost MS a lot of money but MS is getting tons of money from licensing and games sales since they have the numbers. Sony doesn't have the numbers even now, years after introduction.
They've bled resources and money since the day they started working on the follow-up to the PS2. They can't just suddenly cut off that limb due to various reasons like having agreements with developers or licensees, they have stocks of expensive hardware that aren't easily sold, and they have a responsibility to developers that are developing games for the next 1-2 years.
It's sad actually, the PS3 is an advanced piece of technology that have theoretic capacity to outdo the 360 with ease, yet the complexities in the design have inherent bottlenecks that stifle the full potential somewhat.
That said, I'll stick with my PC even though gaming is nowhere near the state it was only 5 years ago. I have no interest in consoles beyond the curiosity of what's happening in that world. I still believe the PS3 will continue to fade out slowly. Perhaps not completely this year or even the next, but it can't sustain itself economically, and Sony have been bled almost dry. That's still my view.
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2009 13:46 Post subject: |
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Sony divisions are
Sony Electronics Inc.
Sony Computer Entertainment America/PlayStation
Sony Pictures Entertainment (Sony Online Entertainment a part of SPE)
Sony BMG Music Entertainment Inc.
Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications
I bet Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications and maybe Sony BMG Music Entertainment Inc. will close.
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wawrzul
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009 09:01 Post subject: |
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Announcing such a move is only a way to get more people buy PS2/PS3/PSP and not to shut down the source of income. I think that's obvious.
Like a kid that needs more attention, a really desperate move.
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| Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2009 16:18 Post subject: |
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| wawrzul wrote: | Announcing such a move is only a way to get more people buy PS2/PS3/PSP and not to shut down the source of income. I think that's obvious.
Like a kid that needs more attention, a really desperate move. |
not really, if there was any truth in PS being shut down, people wouldn't go out and buy them to help keep them alive, people would instead NOT buy it due to it not having any further support. No different than me going out and buying a nintendo in hopes of them continuing to build them.
what killed the PS3 was putting blu-ray on it with no exceptions. Without it they could take down the price tag and more people would buy it. |
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