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Frant
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 Posted: Tue, 14th Apr 2009 23:35 Post subject: |
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| Cedge wrote: | @Frant:
Again, if you can't understand why simultaneous worldwide release is not always possible, despite me giving clear examples of why it often isn't, then fine, so be it. I don't have to make a counter-point, because you never made on to those points. |
I did counter your point by saying "it's all about planning". Why Atari messed up their planning this time I don't know. You are welcome to tell me if you have actual information from Atari, otherwise it's just conjecture and you can't present your own conjecture as facts.
Besides, whether it's possible or not is totally uninteresting from a consumers (and therefore mine and most other people here at nforce) point of view. You argue that it's because Europe is so complex with the different countries and laws (doesn't US states have different laws as well?). I counter that with saying that they've dealt with that for almost 30 years now and have their channels, distributors and everything they need. Sometimes games are released earlier in Europe than the US, is it some kind of strange warp in the fabric of time/space that causes it?
All this is in the end fairly pointless. It has got nothing to do with my original post whatsoever. By planning they can synchronize release in different territories. Since the dates are set months before release it's obviously a conscious decision to ship out of sync.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 01:00 Post subject: |
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@tombata
+1
Stop arguing, lets just wait...
PS: Buying? hah!
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 01:07 Post subject: |
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God I haven't read so much mindless verbiage since, since - well since Mass Effect, I think that was the last game which took a good while to crack. Which is all the publishers go for nowadays. Like bank vaults, the security 'experts' recognise nothing is permanently invulnerable but if they can slow crackers down then they may still achieve their aims.
Witness the number of peeps from outside North America (I imagine Canada is also included in the current release and post Nafta maybe even Mexico as well - which kinda torpedos the cedge argument about multiple jurisdictions), who would buy the game if they could since they can't get it for free, cracked.
What's the betting many of them will go out on the morning of the 24th and grab the game straight away, when normally they would wait 24hrs at least to see if a crack came out.
Generally a sequenced release schedule is about increased profits through leveraging differential pricing regimes.
There is a chance that the fluctuation in exchange rate between the $US and the еuro has inspired this but it is pretty unlikely unless the publisher were sure the rate would move strongly in a particular directiion. If it is about differential pricing one would expect that the european or oceanic release would be substantially cheaper than the US version. That isn't the case.
There is one issue I have been unable to establish which would settle this business of whether incremental release is good or bad for piracy.
That is whether someone who has legitimately bought the game (either when overseas or via a 'poxy') but lives outside the release region can get the game activated. Do the servers say "Hi welcome you can play Riddick" or do they say "Sorry bud you are attempting this activation from an area where the game isn't officially available. Try again on the 24th" if the gamer's activation attempt is coming from an IP outside North America?
If it is the latter, a sound argument could be made for incremental release being a ploy to prevent piracy.
The more countries = different regulations in europe being the reason for the delay argument is totally specious. Sorry cedge that is why the EU was created all those years ago - to make all of western europe Scotland Ireland even perfidous Albion, into one single market. Censorship in these larger markets in the age of industry self regulation is also a non starter as a reason for delay. As long as the publisher has a history of conforming to broad guidelines that have been long established they can sell their product without running it under the censor's sticky beak beforehand.
Then censorship only occurs when some looney xtian or whatnot submits a complaint to the local thought police, THEN the game is studied for signs of naked aureoles or dangly pink bits. That is, after release.
Anyway back to the point. If the activation server declines activation for a game being installed outside the approved region this would certainly aid the forces of darkness in their battle against the sweetness and light of the no charge game distributors. (so much nicer than pirate especially in light of the blatant attempts by amerikan corporate capital to blacken the term piracy by branding the Somali coastguards as pirates) Shit! - another digression.
Anyway if only peeps from inside the zone can be activated that would make it difficult for european crackers to test the activation and would also, as I wrote above, encourage ordinary gamers reduced to a frenzy of frustrated consumer gratification, to buy the game first day out rather than wait a day or so for a crack.
Such a system would definitely be in breach of consumer law in the country I live in even if the publishers could show a proxy server was used to buy the game, but you would hafta think that the publishers fancy their chances - that is they know this protection is going to end up in court (ie see recent securom decisions) but believe they can make more profit on increased sales from a delayed crack than the court cases will eventually cost them.
So, knowing this is a vain hope in light of the frenzy many gamers have whipped themselves into, may I suggest that gamers outside north america don't run off and buy the poxy game as soon as the big hand points at 12 and the little hand points at 9 on the morning of the 24th.
If gamers can be that strong, then this strategy will die just as other equally pernicious protections have died.
This tages protection will eventually be compromised as every protection is but if the tages mob play their cards correctly and charge for their services on the basis of the number of days a new release remains uncracked they will prolly make more money from titles like riddick than the game's makers did, maybe almost as much as the publishers, - although that would be a big ask indeed.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 01:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 01:29 Post subject: |
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Wow people are getting crazy over one game, its ridiculous...
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 01:54 Post subject: |
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NForce2007
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 02:10 Post subject: |
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This protection becomes the next game for sure!
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 02:43 Post subject: |
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I predict we'll be seeing a lot more of this protection in the future thanks to Atari and Riddick.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 02:53 Post subject: |
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There is no problem with this protection, reloaded cracked it in first couple days after game out, problem only with atari.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 03:52 Post subject: |
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| rock wrote: | | There is no problem with this protection, reloaded cracked it in first couple days after game out, problem only with atari. |
oh snap!
how could we have overlooked this one?
| Quote: | The.Chronicles.Of.Riddick.Assault.On.Dark.Athena.learn.PROPER.english-RELOADED
1. Unrar.
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2. Burn or mount the image.
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3. Install the game. Use serial : 73U1-A2P2-439T-BH58-3RLD
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4. Copy crack from the /Crack dir on the DVD over to your install dir.
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5. Play the game.
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6. For fuck's sake, please grow a brain. kthxbye
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lhzr
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 04:14 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
☢ NFOHump Despot ☢
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Location: Ramat Gan, Israel 🇮🇱
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 04:44 Post subject: |
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| Sohei wrote: | | Wow people are getting crazy over one game, its ridiculous... |
For me, it's more about the "Fuck you Atari for selling us rental" message that this crack will send. |
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 07:20 Post subject: |
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lol lol lol
3 days before:
Razor1911 Team April 12th, 2009 at 2:11 am
Crack will not be released in the next 2 weeks. Can not wait. He is now ready and fully running, but out of respect for the Atari, it will not appear in the near future.
Buy a license.
go on
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 07:49 Post subject: |
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Rental. Even if they allow me to activate one more time, or 20 more times, still a rental.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 08:28 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Rental. Even if they allow me to activate one more time, or 20 more times, still a rental. |
Again, tell me the name of one video store that allows you to extend your rental for free, by calling.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 08:33 Post subject: |
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My local Blockbuster store. They allow extending a rental once if you don't have prior late returns.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 08:54 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | My local Blockbuster store. They allow extending a rental once if you don't have prior late returns. |
And this is after letting you rent three copies of it?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 09:07 Post subject: |
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Even if they were to allow me to rent 50 copies, then allow me to extend 100 times more, it is still a rental - I will eventually have to rent it all over again, in order to enjoy it. As all rentals, if the renter goes out of business, I will not be able to rent the product anymore.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 09:21 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Even if they were to allow me to rent 50 copies, then allow me to extend 100 times more, it is still a rental - I will eventually have to rent it all over again, in order to enjoy it. As all rentals, if the renter goes out of business, I will not be able to rent the product anymore. |
Even if the game had no protection you would still not buy it.
And btw:
| Code: | "We implement this protection in an effort to avoid early piracy," the publisher tell us.
"The activation code lets you install the game on up to three machines, with an unlimited number of installs on each assuming that you don't change any major hardware in your PC or re-install your operating system." |
I'm sure after some time revoke tool or a patch that removes the need of activation will be out, just like for all the other games. They wanted to eliminate 0day piracy and they are succeeding so far. Majority of whiners about DRM are pirates who wouldn't buy the game either way. 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 09:24 Post subject: |
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Actually I was going to buy this, just like I did buy the previous (I still consider the first one one of the best games of recent years, among the few I actually managed to finish and not get bored). But you and your dumb assumptions, that's OK.
Trollrage LoLoL 
Edit: Haha, why did you remove my name?
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 09:33 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Edit: Haha, why did you remove my name? |
Didn't want to infest my beautiful post with your ugly name. But you should buy the game and see if you actually honestly use up all the 3 installs, or this whining is all for nothing.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 09:39 Post subject: |
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I'm waiting to see what DRM the European release is using. If they release it with some other protection, I'll buy that version.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 09:51 Post subject: |
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all the talk about the DRM is silly anyway. None of you pirates games for some moral issues with the DRM ... lets get real for once ... you're cheap bastards who cant admitt they like to get games for free, period.
I know i do ...
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