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 Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 18:00 Post subject: Why arent TS's done on HD Camcorders instead of SD?? |
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IT would look so much better...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 18:43 Post subject: |
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I've been asking myself the same question ever since some rls group promised to start making cam releases done on HD cams a few years ago. I guess it's due to size, but 720p cams are really dropping down in both size and price. 
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| Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 18:44 Post subject: |
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I think that the real question is: Why are TS's done in the first place? 
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| Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 18:49 Post subject: |
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Because there are no Blurays/DVDs at the time they are done?
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| Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 18:55 Post subject: Re: Why arent TS's done on HD Camcorders instead of SD?? |
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| digitalman42 wrote: | | IT would look so much better... |
It was done and it doesn't look better, still looks pathetic. And lol at people who watch cams so they can brag to kids in their class that they saw it first.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 19:09 Post subject: |
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Totally true! For me bad quality ruins the enjoyment of it...
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| Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 19:35 Post subject: |
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Agreed, especially for action movies, where the whole appeal of the movie is the visuals alone. But some don't care, I guess.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 19:53 Post subject: |
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I don't know, for me it ruins the movie so bad that I just can't watch it. So I skip TS all together  R5 is the lowest for me (and that usually means nice quality).
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |

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| Posted: Sun, 17th May 2009 23:41 Post subject: |
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i watch on can , see if is anygood , than i wait for a good release to add to my library.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009 03:22 Post subject: |
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Not ture, TS on HD Camcorder would look better. Sure it wont look as good as retail DVD, but it will look acceptable. They have HD Cams that memory cards and hard drives in them can record 5-20 hours. Also you can fit some in coat pocket EASILY, or even baggy pants. I wont watch a action movie, but you know a horror, thriller, on like a benjamin button, would be fine on it.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009 06:10 Post subject: |
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| digitalman42 wrote: | | Not ture, TS on HD Camcorder would look better. Sure it wont look as good as retail DVD, but it will look acceptable. They have HD Cams that memory cards and hard drives in them can record 5-20 hours. Also you can fit some in coat pocket EASILY, or even baggy pants. I wont watch a action movie, but you know a horror, thriller, on like a benjamin button, would be fine on it. |
quality would be exactly the same
Reason a lot of cams look like shit is because people who use them can't operate them properly. HD SD won't matter. if you don't know how to operate it, it'll look like shit.
just cause you can hold a cam and press record doesn't mean if you get a 900 hd handicam and do the same the quality would be better. 
Lol.
there's wb to worry about. there's fstop to worry about. audio as well.
heck lighting is crucial. a lot of cams have everything set on automaitc. manual is the way o go. but you don't have time to do that kind of shit when watching a movie 
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| Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009 07:35 Post subject: |
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I couldn't disagree more. IF you take a SD and a HD camcorder and put them both on auto the HD camcorder will look better. If you take them both and manually set them to aperature priority and take it to the lowest setting, the HD camcorder will still look much better. Same with Shutter priority. And you dont have to know much at all about camcorders to go in manual mode and get a good low light setting. I'm saying if people are going to do it, why not atleast do it with a hd camcorder which are only about $600 now adays.
| WaldoJ wrote: | | digitalman42 wrote: | | Not ture, TS on HD Camcorder would look better. Sure it wont look as good as retail DVD, but it will look acceptable. They have HD Cams that memory cards and hard drives in them can record 5-20 hours. Also you can fit some in coat pocket EASILY, or even baggy pants. I wont watch a action movie, but you know a horror, thriller, on like a benjamin button, would be fine on it. |
quality would be exactly the same
Reason a lot of cams look like shit is because people who use them can't operate them properly. HD SD won't matter. if you don't know how to operate it, it'll look like shit.
just cause you can hold a cam and press record doesn't mean if you get a 900 hd handicam and do the same the quality would be better.
Lol.
there's wb to worry about. there's fstop to worry about. audio as well.
heck lighting is crucial. a lot of cams have everything set on automaitc. manual is the way o go. but you don't have time to do that kind of shit when watching a movie |
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| Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009 07:40 Post subject: |
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I agree with you guys that TS's quality is going to be horrid period, thats one reason why I would never watch one. But still you think they would atleast use better camcorders. Even if they still look horrible. It wouldnt make me watch one cause yeah it would still look horrid. But why they use SD camcorder instead of HD I dont know.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009 07:44 Post subject: |
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You've got no idea what you are talking about.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009 14:16 Post subject: |
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| bushwacka wrote: | you're dealing with a low light situation. and while higher resolution would be theoretically better, the amount of photons which hit a "pixel" on a ccd is far lower on a HD camcorder than on a SD one (if the ccds are the same size), so you get more noise. noise removal blurs the image, so you're more or less back to SD resolution.
no point in using HD if the picture quality isn't that much better and it even adds an extra work step (which is the last thing a group would want when it comes to getting the rls out first).
the only way to improve TSs would be to use a cam on which you can mount a lens with massive aperture. but try smuggling something like that into a cinema |
I went into a theater with a red once and I always walk in with my hvx200
digitalman42, it will not look better. It can't look better  If they know how to operate a cam ... even a basic handicam can do amazing quality for .cam
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| Posted: Mon, 18th May 2009 14:22 Post subject: |
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i believe german cine group PFD is using HD cams. Although their 720p TS are not really that much better than their XViDs.
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