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Frant1c
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Yeah I feel cheated, I was expecting new campaign, new maps, new weapons, new zombies for free since the game certainly didn't even have close to enough content to be released for 50 fucking euros. It's more like a 20 Euro game, TOPS and not even that without SDK.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Jun 2009 22:24 Post subject: |
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I don't get why everyone's so worked up over this. L4D is one of the best games in years, and I've gotten great value from it. Expecting them to release 4 new campaigns and a major systematic update for free, or even as DLC is a little absurd.
$50 for the hundreds of hours I've had in L4D is a great value (more than the fun but short "Half Life Episode X" experiences). I'm very happy to repeat the process in the Fall...
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D34Dite
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Jun 2009 22:24 Post subject: |
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so much for them adding a load of content for l4d.... they are gonna walk away from it and expect us to pay fullprice for another version of it....
how the mighty have fallen
when there is no more room in hell, the D34D will walk the earth
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Frant1c
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Jun 2009 22:49 Post subject: |
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| DuckOnBike wrote: | I don't get why everyone's so worked up over this. L4D is one of the best games in years, and I've gotten great value from it. Expecting them to release 4 new campaigns and a major systematic update for free, or even as DLC is a little absurd.
$50 for the hundreds of hours I've had in L4D is a great value (more than the fun but short "Half Life Episode X" experiences). I'm very happy to repeat the process in the Fall... |
I know what you mean, but considering the extremely low amount of maps and ridiculous amount of weapons, I feel cheated paying 50 euro. It should have been Left 4 Dead Episode 1 for 20-25 Euro and this new one Left 4 Dead Episode 2.
And no SDK on top of it all is just the icing on the cake. Also looking at the vids they've taken Left 4 Dead, added some new skins for weapons and characters and slapped on the "2" and then reselling the same game again for probably 50 € again.
Edit: I wouldn't mind if they released it as a DLC for 10-20€ but as a whole new game? $#£@ off. It's an expansion pack at best.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Jun 2009 22:49 Post subject: |
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when did they ever promise to release alot of new content for free? Valve is a video game company, not the salvation army. L4d is great, I'd be happy to pay for a new one come November (probably more like june 2010 since it's valve). I'm glad they leave L4D the way it is in terms of game mechanics and put all their new ideas into a brand new game.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Jun 2009 22:49 Post subject: |
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Ispep
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Jun 2009 23:16 Post subject: |
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Must, resist, temptation to complain.... it's all too easy to look at those videos and think OH MAH GAWD but I'll wait until more details are revealed further down the line. Valve haven't screwed up yet so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 00:28 Post subject: |
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I like the name; "Left for dead too."
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 00:29 Post subject: |
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Saw one of the videos and it's just like L4D with new content.
That's not what a sequel is about ... who the fuck took that decision, this is sooo against the strategy of Valve (for their MP games)
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 00:34 Post subject: |
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| Frant1c wrote: | | Yeah I feel cheated, I was expecting new campaign, new maps, new weapons, new zombies for free since the game certainly didn't even have close to enough content to be released for 50 fucking euros. It's more like a 20 Euro game, TOPS and not even that without SDK. |
Same here. L4D2 looks nothing more than a bunch of new campaigns that should be free for L4D (or at least for a small fee). Bringing second game so fast is a huge spit in everyone's face who bought the first one. And I thought Sims franchise milking was bad, well, this is worse.
I'm very disappointed in Valve and feel somewhat cheated with my full price L4D purchase.
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poullou
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Cohen
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 00:53 Post subject: |
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The black guy reminds me of;
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Pey
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 00:55 Post subject: |
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Hahaha quite similar
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 01:06 Post subject: |
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/06/01/left-4-dead-2-exclusive-rps-preview/
It doesn't allay any of my reservations about it being a sequel instead of an expansion, and there's not a whole lot of new information... indeed, any? But you might enjoy reading it and when you do perhaps check out the podcast where one of the writers explains (ahem, justifies?) why it's a sequel and not an expansion.
Still I can't hide my excitement for more L4D, I just hope it's not the same old mechanics. What about setting up defences and things like that... there needs to be more and if there isn't I will be disappointed.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 01:48 Post subject: |
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WHAT. THE. FUCK.
There isn't even a fucking SDK for the first one! I only bought it because I was expecting it to fucking ship with the first DLC in order to get non linear maps!
What pisses me off more is how there's already a god damn gameplay video. Another 50 dollar cash cow. Wait till February next year for Left 4 Dead 3. Which also costs 50 dollars.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 01:49 Post subject: |
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| Fabs wrote: | | when did they ever promise to release alot of new content for free? |
Seriously. I have no idea where all this entitlement is coming from.
| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | That's not what a sequel is about ... who the fuck took that decision, this is sooo against the strategy of Valve (for their MP games) |
Yeah, their normal strategy so far is to remake the same three games (DOD, TF, CS) every 5 years or so.  This is sooooooo heinous.
| Quote: | | Same here. L4D2 looks nothing more than a bunch of new campaigns that should be free for L4D (or at least for a small fee). |
Jesus christ...when did gamers all start to feel so ridiculously entitled to everything they want, and for free? What the fuck. What a bunch of spoiled brats!
| poullou wrote: | | I think Ep3 and Portal 2 will follow, with L4D2 in a new orange box deal. It all starts to make sense but not much anticipation to me like other valve titles used to do to me. |
I'm starting to think that, in a way, the Orange Box was a mistake for Valve.
Ever since it came out, people seem to expect Valve to never release anything else even close to the usual "full price." People think that they should be selling Ep3, L4D2, and Portal 2, all in one $50 box, now.
The Orange Box was a one-time thing. A special, one-time "deal of the decade." It was never meant to indicate an entirely new business model for them, where all of their major releases come with two other full games, for one price.
No good deed goes unpunished, it seems. They offer people an incredible deal, and in return, those people turn their backs on them for ever charging full price for a single game again.
Seriously, man. Gamers are spoiled brats.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 01:56 Post subject: |
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You're missing the point Cedge. Left 4 Dead hasn't even been out for a year yet and they already have a gameplay video up and running for the sequel.
50 dollars for a game lacking content is just asking too much. Guess I got suckered by the asshats who claimed Valve would bring in more content down the line.
Gustave the Steel
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 05:13 Post subject: |
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| Cedge wrote: | | Quote: | | Same here. L4D2 looks nothing more than a bunch of new campaigns that should be free for L4D (or at least for a small fee). |
Jesus christ...when did gamers all start to feel so ridiculously entitled to everything they want, and for free? What the fuck. What a bunch of spoiled brats! |
Jesus christ...when did "gamers" become satisfied with 4 maps and 2 game mods at full price? What the fuck. No wonder games are as short as shit these days.
Left 4 Dead 3 - One map, but hey, don't you dare complain, we put our hearts in that map! |
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 05:33 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Cedge wrote: | | Quote: | | Same here. L4D2 looks nothing more than a bunch of new campaigns that should be free for L4D (or at least for a small fee). |
Jesus christ...when did gamers all start to feel so ridiculously entitled to everything they want, and for free? What the fuck. What a bunch of spoiled brats! |
Jesus christ...when did "gamers" become satisfied with 4 maps and 2 game mods at full price? What the fuck. No wonder games are as short as shit these days. |
You're acting as though there haven't always been both long, and short games.
It's a bunch of nostalgia-goggle wannabe-jaded bullshit, for people to pretend that games are a bad value for money these days.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 06:10 Post subject: |
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| Cedge wrote: | | It's a bunch of nostalgia-goggle wannabe-jaded bullshit, for people to pretend that games are a bad value for money these days. |
Right, L4D was an immense value for the money. My bad. |
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 06:17 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Cedge wrote: | | It's a bunch of nostalgia-goggle wannabe-jaded bullshit, for people to pretend that games are a bad value for money these days. |
Right, L4D was an immense value for the money. My bad. |
I absolutely thought it was. I have played no game more than L4D in the past 6 months.
Then again, I am the sort who also adores arcade games, and has happily paid full prices for ports of arcade shooters that only last an hour.
But, seeing as I'm the one who enjoys the full breadth of gaming, and who doesn't have inane preconceived notions about game value, what developers owe me, a thick pair of nostalgia-goggles, and a self-important sense of jadedness, I guess that makes me a loser or something.
I do not believe that there is only a single sort of game that deserved to cost $50. Simple as that.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 06:24 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Well, congrats! You and "gamers" like you are the reason why games are like what they are today. |
Today?!?!
As I just said, there have always been short and long games, with small and large amounts of content, with and without SDKs, with and without multiplayer.
The notion that something is wrong with games "today," that game companies are now consistently providing us with less entertainment value than at any point in gaming's history, that hasn't always existed, is absolutely ridiculous, and absolutely proves that you're letting jadedness and nostalgia get the better of you.
The home cartridge of Pac-Man on Atari was fifty dollars, too, ya know. Wing Commander II was, as I recall, eighty dollars back in Origin's 1991 catalog (and that didn't even include the Speech Accessory Pack!).
Also, I don't appreciate you referring to me as a "gamer" in quotes.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 06:33 Post subject: |
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I removed my post because there is no point in this argument. You have your opinion and I have mine. The fact is, there are mods released today, that have more content than this game, and while Valve has promised to fill the game as time passes, with additional content, is now already showing a sequel. You want to keep shelling cash on shit like that, it's your choice.
You don't appreciate? And this concerns me how? If you think it is against forum rules, you are more than welcome to report and/or ignore. It's because of people like you, who are willing to shell cash on tiny little content packs, that has led to this age of DLC, to the notion that releasing a game with very little in it is OK, because in the future content packs for cash will be out.
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 06:38 Post subject: |
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I guess it's time to go back to zombie panic, at least it has much more new content every now and then
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 07:09 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | You don't appreciate? And this concerns me how? If you think it is against forum rules, you are more than welcome to report and/or ignore. It's because of people like you, who are willing to shell cash on tiny little content packs, that has led to this age of DLC, to the notion that releasing a game with very little in it is OK, because in the future content packs for cash will be out. |
I like how you ignore the points I make over and over again. 
And hey, since you don't seem to mind, I guess I'll just say that "gamers" like you are the reason it sucks to be a game developer now. They want everything, they want it dirt-cheap, and they want it to meet a billion minuscule demands. Don't take too long with sequels, but not too short either. All games must have the same amount of content.
Because of their insane demands, they create a market in which only the largest and most brutally efficient developers (like EA, for instance) can really thrive, and then they complain about these giant game corporations.
Ugh. Sickening.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 07:24 Post subject: |
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Glad to be at that position. Developers should always be asked for the max, not convenience, ease and the minimum. Also, I consider Audio Surf, World of Goo and Braid some of the better games in the last 5 years (although the last one was a bit overpriced). How does that fall in your stupid theory?
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 07:40 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Glad to be at that position. Developers should always be asked for the max, not convenience, ease and the minimum. Also, I consider Audio Surf, World of Goo and Braid some of the better games in the last 5 years (although the last one was a bit overpriced). How does that fall in your stupid theory? |
I dunno. How does the fact that there have always been games that don't even last for an hour, selling for "full price," fit into your stupid theory?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 07:45 Post subject: |
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"Games not worth the money" sounds about right?
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