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| Yondaime wrote: | | Mclaneinc wrote: | All initial comments were 'f88k me' I want to play this, 'it looks badass' etc etc
Now you have the finished product and as promised you have all those and people are having pops at it, strikes me of being a hypocrite. |
I remember looking forward to playing it, and thinking it looks cool on the videos, I don't see it as being hypocritical when you're disappointed by the end result. It'd be hypocritical to play the game at one point and say it's good, then play it at another point and say it's bad just to prove a point with someone. But being disappointed, nah, that doesn't make you a hypocrite.
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Totally correct, what I am complaining about are the people that wowed at it's trailers etc and then shredded it as if they had somehow been short changed by the developer. What was offered is what turned up, niggles about control and camera are inherent in these styles of games and often are issues but to be honest I don't see any serious flaws in the game, I had more problems swinging in Bionic Commando than any in this game.
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One of the few games this last year I've actually enjoyed playing, I'm having more fun with this then i did with RF: Guerrilla. Once your 1-2 hours in and you got the controls down you can do pretty crazy combos.
Fine its not as polished as it could have been but this game beats out 80% of all the other bullshit games released in the summer (i.e Bionic Commando).
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Ashmolly
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 17:29 Post subject: |
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| Mclaneinc wrote: | | Yondaime wrote: | | Mclaneinc wrote: | All initial comments were 'f88k me' I want to play this, 'it looks badass' etc etc
Now you have the finished product and as promised you have all those and people are having pops at it, strikes me of being a hypocrite. |
I remember looking forward to playing it, and thinking it looks cool on the videos, I don't see it as being hypocritical when you're disappointed by the end result. It'd be hypocritical to play the game at one point and say it's good, then play it at another point and say it's bad just to prove a point with someone. But being disappointed, nah, that doesn't make you a hypocrite.
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Totally correct, what I am complaining about are the people that wowed at it's trailers etc and then shredded it as if they had somehow been short changed by the developer. What was offered is what turned up, niggles about control and camera are inherent in these styles of games and often are issues but to be honest I don't see any serious flaws in the game, I had more problems swinging in Bionic Commando than any in this game. |
What you see is what you get. You are totally right about that. The first part of the game is the trailer of the gameplay demo everyone watched months ago. It's not about being short changed for me, but when I saw that demo, I was like thats a work in progress, there would be no end to the things they could do. I still like the game regardless of what others opinions are. |
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 18:10 Post subject: |
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Wow.. so, just because i download games, my opinion is almost totally invalid? Bullshit.
I'm not the "download everything/collector of shiny discs"-type, I only download games that interest me and i think i'll enjoy. And here's a shocking thing - I know myself better than any of you here do. Wich means, i can safely say that i'd rate the game about the same as i would if i'd bought it. I know this 'cause i buy games for my PS3 (and used to buy alot of PS2 games).
I DO however, know what you mean with people that download almost every game in sight, and never give the game fair chance.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 18:43 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | _SiN_ wrote: | | I DO however, know what you mean with people that download almost every game in sight, and never give the game fair chance. |
Like me!  I am getting better though and have managed to play through a good deal of nearly half of what I download  |
I used to be the same way in the PC scene. Now i buy all my games(Well 360 games, wont buy wii games. lol) and i find i enjoy them alot more. Its strange really.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 19:12 Post subject: |
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| inz wrote: | One spoilerish question about the city:
 Spoiler: | Is the changing of the city to the infested(?) version with the brownish red sky etc. gradual and tied to the storyline progression, and/or are parts of the city like that from the beginning? I'd rather not see the whole city turn out like that towards the endgame - just doesn't seem as fun as running around wrecking havoc in a normal city. |
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| Spoiler: | Seems to be tied to the storyline. Every now and then when you complete a mission, you get "Day X, X% infected" and the infected areas grow in size/number. |
The game gets better and better imo. I can run, pick up a car and throw it while still running, for example. Or I go up a building, glide through the air and BAM land like meteorite  . Once you get used to the controls en once you get some of the more essential abilites, it's like the character is on speed. The game's a bit easy though.
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 19:31 Post subject: |
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| Mclaneinc wrote: | Wide roaming world
Serious upgrades
MASS destruction
The joys of leaping off a huge building
etc etc.. |
Oh ho... When you lay it out in black and white, I guess it sounds better than it really is.
Wide roaming world.. I guess... You could replace the city with a desert and I don't think anyone would notice. It feels so dead and empty the only thing that resembles it being a city is the buildings. The citizens have little reaction to anything going on around them, makes everything feel cheap and lifeless. That's just it, lifeless, without life, the people are there to just be there, they don't even act like people, they only look like people.
The upgrades are no fun when the system to put those upgrades to use doesn't have a good feel to it.
Sure the lock on system could be considered a convenience, but the combat just doesn't feel good to me. Flying 100 feet in the air, only to lock on and come flying down exactly on top of the guy doesn't make me feel badass, it makes me feel like the game did it for me. Likewise throwing huge objects at helicopters, the game is mostly doing it for me, doesn't make me feel like a mutant badass that is wreaking havoc with these "Serious upgrades".
MASS destruction? Really? Auto-locking to a few soldiers and instantly gibbing tanks and helicopters is mass destruction? Again, it's hard to appreciate this "feature" when it feels so bland and under-developed. When you see a group of tanks driving into the battle erratically and get hit once and suddenly get replaced with a "broken tank" model, instead of the high production values of other games' destruction, just feels like a sorry, sloppy mess of non-polish. Really ruined it for me, that's what I was saying... The destruction is no fun if things have bland/boring reactions, which everything in this game does (to me).
And you got me on the last point, jumping off huge buildings is fun. My friend actually got a quick rush of vertigo at one point, haha...
| Mclaneinc wrote: | | All initial comments were 'f88k me' I want to play this, 'it looks badass' etc etc |
I mean, that's exactly how it goes. They announce their plans for the game, talk about how awesome it's going to be, deliver a very specific set of screenshots and videos, and people get excited. When they get their hands on it, it's a different story. It's always that way, nothing hypocritical about it. Personally, for me, I am a co-op junky, and was excited for the co-op, but they took it out. Not once have I based anything off that fact so far though.
| Mclaneinc wrote: | | The game does exactly what it said it was going to do and should be played under those circumstances |
Does it though? This game is like a lifetime movie for videogames. A solid 'C' at best. I don't think they went and announced that as the plan for their game. Your black and white list is something they would have delivered to the fans, and I don't think that list delivered at all. |
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 20:06 Post subject: |
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Listen folks, I'm NOT trying to debunk criticism of the game, could they have added more to it, well every game could have more but yes it could have had nore than rush and bash but that is what it was laid out as.
And yes, each to their own, what I like you may not but I'm just repeating that I was semi bashing pointless snide remarks and comments about whether it was worth a blank dvdr dl. When it gets to the point that people are baulking or being annoyed at paying a UK pound for a game I think it's disgusting.
Criticize the game if you think it's rubbish but explain why but don't moan that you wasted a blank on it, there was no ones arm up your back making you write it out.
Personally I think it's a fun game that would be a B in my books, considering some of the shovelware that's punted out I think that's a fair score.
I think what I really hate is people who make throwaway comments and then try to defend their opinion, saying things like 'this game sucks ass' and then being annoyed that you have been singled out just amazes me. Say why the game 'sucks', explain in detail your issues with the game and then if you were proved wrong then just accept it. If you were right then well done, you made a good point(s) and proved yourself as being worth listening to in future.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 21:13 Post subject: |
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Looking at this thread I see a bunch of nitpickers and a bunch of people trying to convince the nitpickers this is a good game. Honestly, give it up guys. You don't like the game? Fine, go enjoy something else. You like the game? Fine, go play it!
I will tell you though, my personal opinion is that this game is fun. So many fun abilities...I sat at a busy intersection, grabbed a car and hurled it into the congestion. Suddenly explosions are going off, people start screaming and running away...I grabbed some old lady and just flung her in random directions...help I CONSUMED and old lady just to wreak havoc while in her body. Fuck me that was hilarious!
Ohhh boo hoo that tank didn't blow up realistically. Well that's it folks. Game Over. It's not fun anymore. /sarcasm
Don't know what you guys expected, and I guess I'm sorry this game isn't fun for you. I'm enjoying it, despite a few flaws. Yes, it has them. So does GTA, so does CoD4, so does any game. If you can look past that, and actually see there's a real fun game here, you'll have a blast. I know I am!
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Ashmolly
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 21:43 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | nightlith wrote: | | ......despite a few flaws. Yes, it has them......so does any game. |
Wrong.
Deus Ex and Final Fantasy VIII are flawless.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 22:09 Post subject: |
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a finishing statement:
Prototype ROCKS !!!
i dont believe that, its just a fact.
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 22:17 Post subject: |
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don't get you people its not your your buying games
burn it and play
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| Posted: Fri, 5th Jun 2009 23:58 Post subject: |
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im stuck in this game now, there is a mission where you are in a helicopter and it said something like "assist the millitary until you are called back to base" the military are attacking a infected building but when i shoot at it or even shoot at a enemy on the side of it they all start atacking me
anyone know the mission i mean?
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jun 2009 00:37 Post subject: |
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| bushwacka wrote: | | Masterflat wrote: | | how is the combat? better than in bionic commando? |
basically a mix of devil may cry and mercenaries 2, just dumbed down. a lot |
The name that still haunts me......Mercenaries 2 That game was the absolute worst.
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jun 2009 00:41 Post subject: |
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Yondaime, no offence but I really don't think you have the imagination to enjoy a game like this. It seems to me you expect a game to provide you with all the impetus to explore, whereas in a game like this you have to create your own objectives, your own places of interest because there isn't loot to find, or experience bonuses for exploring.
You didn't like Infamous so I don't know why you expected to like this. It just makes me feel that your opinion on this game isn't really one that I can take as representative of it's quality.
But I do appreciate the fact that you took the time to fully articulate your opinion, which is something the spoilt plebs of this forum fail to do. So try not to take this as an insult, simply as a reason why people may be ignoring your argument against this game being enjoyable.
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It might just be that the destruction in Red Faction: Guerilla spoiled me, but I have to agree with Stooz in that it leaves a bad taste in your mouth to see tanks go out in a puff of smoke and then just get changed with another model.
I do like running up and down buildings though, but that was the same in GTA IV, when you reached a high point and looked at the skyline it almost made your jaw drop. Here it's still mighty impressive, although not quite jaw droppingly so.
And in the battles it does feel like you don't really have control over the character, you just "lock on" to a target and then button mash and the player character does all the running and the right moves, from 2 buttons pressed - a winning combo that'll kill anything from a pedestrian to a tank or monster.
The aquirement of new powers could've been more flashed out, when you get a new power theres no story telling or any comments/feelings from the main character just a little dialogue box that says "To consume the commander hit Y" or "To transform click left".
You'd think in a game like this where you're slowly discovering the inhuman monster you are, you'd have some reservations with your arm suddenly turning into a blade or you changing shape from one second to the next, but no. Alex Mercer is ice cold.
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jun 2009 02:23 Post subject: |
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| nightlith wrote: | | Ohhh boo hoo that tank didn't blow up realistically. Well that's it folks. Game Over. It's not fun anymore. /sarcasm |
It's responses like these that ruin any conversation that people are trying to have. You insult me by pretending I was crying about something (honestly, where was I 'boo-hoo'-ing about it?) and acting like this one single fact ruined the entire game for me. Is this kind of attitude is all you can muster in this conversation then it's not even worth responding to you anymore. 
| nightlith wrote: | | I wanna say something tho, as far as "pedestrians not reacting" what game were you playing Stooz? I had to start running from rooftop to rooftop because I got tired of hearing screaming pedestrians running all over the place. |
Again, I didn't say they didn't react at all. I said they barely reacted, barely represented human, and felt lifeless. Sure they run and scream (sometimes), but it's so bad and, again, lifeless, that it barely seems there. You can throw a body across the world and have him splat against a wall near a group of people and sometimes a few of them will notice, not really though. Most of them just keep on walking by. Same thing for the rest: cars on fire, a guy leaping 100 feet in the air, giant mutant arms chopping people in half. It's all the same exact thing. Sometimes people have the generic "shock" reaction, but it feels really half-assed in this game. I admit my submission to broken-record syndrome here, I don't have another word for it... lifeless.
It's whatever though, I'm glad you're enjoying it. I wish I could too, but certain things stand out to me, that obviously don't matter to you, and how the both of us perceive these things.
It's a forum, right? You know, for discussion, that's all I did. I didn't tell you you were dumb, I didn't tell you you were wrong, I'm just discussing, stating what I felt when I played it, end of the story. People seem to be forgetting what a forum is even for anymore...
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So, is this game Wave 3? And can it be downgraded with X360_Wav3_Disabler ?
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jun 2009 09:51 Post subject: |
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I like this game. If you are going to compare it to anything, compare it to Crackdown. And I did really enjoy that, just leaping from building to building, shooting enemies with a rocket launcher from the sky.
Same here, just more superpowers. And I didn't really expect anything else.
Played it for like 7 hours yesterday, already have max health boost and I just unlocked a armor. Feel like I am coming close to the end, several things like life on max already.
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jun 2009 10:30 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | It might just be that the destruction in Red Faction: Guerilla spoiled me, but I have to agree with Stooz in that it leaves a bad taste in your mouth to see tanks go out in a puff of smoke and then just get changed with another model. |
I noticed that too, but Red Faction is just the better game. This is more a "one watch popcorn flick" while Red Faction has some more thought behind it.
| Epsilon wrote: | | And in the battles it does feel like you don't really have control over the character, you just "lock on" to a target and then button mash and the player character does all the running and the right moves, from 2 buttons pressed - a winning combo that'll kill anything from a pedestrian to a tank or monster. |
I rarely use the target lock option, the combat feels good enough to me. It does not have the tight controls Wolverine had for example, but I rarely feel like I lose control.
| Epsilon wrote: | The aquirement of new powers could've been more flashed out, when you get a new power theres no story telling or any comments/feelings from the main character just a little dialogue box that says "To consume the commander hit Y" or "To transform click left".
You'd think in a game like this where you're slowly discovering the inhuman monster you are, you'd have some reservations with your arm suddenly turning into a blade or you changing shape from one second to the next, but no. Alex Mercer is ice cold. |
The storytelling, apart form the nice memory cutscenes, is very rushed and in the background. That part of the game is just badly done yes. Some mission briefings for example are just "Dana: Alex you need to get to mister X. Alex: Ok, * insert some vague line*".
After playing maybe 5-6 hours, I still think the game's enjoyable. It's not the best technically, destruction isn't portrayed very well, models are indeed not high res, but I don't really care. Call me simple-minded, but the amount of fun this game gives easily covers up the technical fuckups. I'm still not bored (haven't done sessions longer than 1-2 hours though) and I still feel like I want to play.
8/10
PS. I didn't play Crackdown or Infamous, so I couldn't say whether this is better or worse. This game might be "the same old shit" for the people who've played those game, for me it's pretty fresh.
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jun 2009 11:37 Post subject: |
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so... what day of infection are you guys on?
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Jun 2009 12:13 Post subject: |
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Played for about an hour and I must say I'm not much impressed. The graphics, as already mentioned - mediocre. All this running around feels kinda sensless. Combat? Actually I don't see anything and don't feel like I know what effect the button mashing will have. I think the game's gonna be a disappointment.
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8/10 for me i have fun with it
Hell I'd even give you Deus Ex, and I barely played it. But I'm not gonna compare top tier gaming to a game that amounts to summer blockbuster candy. Prototype, for a game in it's class, is fantastic. I'm just saying that I'll never convince someone who doesn't like the game that it's fun. I just hope that, for someone reading this thread they don't skip the game because some people can't enjoy it.
