PC gaming and Quantum computing
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S.S.S




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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 18:46    Post subject: PC gaming and Quantum computing
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It is pretty much agreed upon by many people that Quantum computing is going to be the next evolution

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Today's computers, like a Turing machine, work by manipulating bits that exist in one of two states: a 0 or a 1. Quantum computers aren't limited to two states; they encode information as quantum bits, or qubits, which can exist in superposition. Qubits represent atoms, ions, photons or electrons and their respective control devices that are working together to act as computer memory and a processor. Because a quantum computer can contain these multiple states simultaneously, it has the potential to be millions of times more powerful than today's most powerful supercomputers.

This superposition of qubits is what gives quantum computers their inherent parallelism. According to physicist David Deutsch, this parallelism allows a quantum computer to work on a million computations at once, while your desktop PC works on one. A 30-qubit quantum computer would equal the processing power of a conventional computer that could run at 10 teraflops (trillions of floating-point operations per second). Today's typical desktop computers run at speeds measured in gigaflops (billions of floating-point operations per second).

Quantum computers also utilize another aspect of quantum mechanics known as entanglement. One problem with the idea of quantum computers is that if you try to look at the subatomic particles, you could bump them, and thereby change their value. If you look at a qubit in superposition to determine its value, the qubit will assume the value of either 0 or 1, but not both (effectively turning your spiffy quantum computer into a mundane digital computer). To make a practical quantum computer, scientists have to devise ways of making measurements indirectly to preserve the system's integrity. Entanglement provides a potential answer. In quantum physics, if you apply an outside force to two atoms, it can cause them to become entangled, and the second atom can take on the properties of the first atom. So if left alone, an atom will spin in all directions. The instant it is disturbed it chooses one spin, or one value; and at the same time, the second entangled atom will choose an opposite spin, or value. This allows scientists to know the value of the qubits without actually looking at them.


http://computer.howstuffworks.com/quantum-computer.htm

My question is how do you think this is will affect the gaming industry ? Do you think we will finally be able to reach full level realism with those ? IE : You literally play a movie or are projected into a 3D universe similar to reality ?

Aren't possibilities crazy with such calculating power ?
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 18:51    Post subject:
if it gets too realistic chances are it will be illegal. but you know, projected into a 3D universe where you have control and can do anything will be too complicated for the normal gamer and we can't have that now can we?
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 18:52    Post subject:
It will be consolised.
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dingo_d
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 18:55    Post subject:
In about >100 years sure why not...


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 18:57    Post subject:
kenny64 wrote:
if it gets too realistic chances are it will be illegal.


This! Even now, with today's technology, games are a scapegoat for the industry due to the interaction between player and machine and the levels of gore/violence/etc. That's just with Little Timmy pressing buttons or moving a mouse .... imagine the uproar if you could have even more powerful hardware, capable of infinitely more realistic visuals/interactivity?
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 19:02    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
kenny64 wrote:
if it gets too realistic chances are it will be illegal.


This! Even now, with today's technology, games are a scapegoat for the industry due to the interaction between player and machine and the levels of gore/violence/etc. That's just with Little Timmy pressing buttons or moving a mouse .... imagine the uproar if you could have even more powerful hardware, capable of infinitely more realistic visuals/interactivity?


Imagine the possibilities with porn games... Cool Face
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 19:22    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Imagine, indeed! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 19:28    Post subject:
Never underestimate the INSANE selling power of sex, I reckon Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 19:34    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Never underestimate the INSANE selling power of sex, I reckon Very Happy


Such power, at the tip of your hands Cool Face
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 19:37    Post subject:
H4wkeye wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
kenny64 wrote:
if it gets too realistic chances are it will be illegal.


This! Even now, with today's technology, games are a scapegoat for the industry due to the interaction between player and machine and the levels of gore/violence/etc. That's just with Little Timmy pressing buttons or moving a mouse .... imagine the uproar if you could have even more powerful hardware, capable of infinitely more realistic visuals/interactivity?


Imagine the possibilities with porn games... Cool Face


Quantuim Gay Villa ? Razz

And why would games be illegal if they are too realistic ? I mean movies are pretty violent and sometimes close to reality but they are still legal aren't they ?

Now i know that there is a difference between watching and playing but still..
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 19:39    Post subject:
S.S.S wrote:

And why would games be illegal if they are too realistic ? I mean movies are pretty violent and sometimes close to reality but they are still legal aren't day ?


Ban these murder simulators - why won't someone think of the children!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 19:41    Post subject:
S.S.S wrote:

And why would games be illegal if they are too realistic ? I mean movies are pretty violent and sometimes close to reality but they are still legal aren't they ?

Now i know that there is a difference between watching and playing but still..


That's what the critics are talking about mate; the very nature of interaction. Watching a violent movie, they say, isn't the same as literally INTERACTING with it -- they argue that by playing the game, you're taking part in the violence yourself.
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 19:56    Post subject:
computer games have evolved over the decades hand in hand with the hardware they are programmed for. If it means the potential for more player involved gaming then it's all good.

Even with a simple fps the possiblities are exciting. Core gameplay styles don't necassarily have to change in games, but imagine all the extra little small details that could be added in game worlds to further immerse a player in the experience.

Now it's just broken glass if you shoot a window or being able to kick a crate about, but with computing power not a hinderance theres so much more scope to further immerse a player in a game world just by adding to whats already there in the first place.

In regards to ultra realistic violence in games. As cool as it would be to see an enviserated alien/zombie in lovely minute detail in real time; perhaps dragging it's entrails along the floor spraying blood in your face in lovely 3d (wasn't this suppossed to be the future of gaming?),

Seeing the same of a ultra realistic rendition of a human being being torn apart or murdered I would be asking other questions, such as; why I would be wanting to see this in games in the first place Neutral
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 20:47    Post subject:
in the future.................you push a button and something awesome will happen!


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 20:51    Post subject:
Kamikaze666 wrote:
in the future.................you push a button and something awesome will happen!


Does that mean we live in the future now?
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Raap




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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 23:18    Post subject: Re: PC gaming and Quantum computing
S.S.S wrote:
My question is how do you think this is will affect the gaming industry ? Do you think we will finally be able to reach full level realism with those ? IE : You literally play a movie or are projected into a 3D universe similar to reality ?

Aren't possibilities crazy with such calculating power ?

Not necessarily. You still have to program for it, and if you make it too complex it can easily slip out of your hands. It's also nowhere near enough processing power to simulate an actual 'full level realism' world filled with atoms, photons, real physics and whatnot. It'll definitely help greatly with stuff such as pathfinding though, and having advanced water physics effects and such shouldn't be a problem anymore. But you can never have too much processing power.

As for actual graphics, I don't really think we need quantum processors for those. We'd already have far better graphics if not for the consoles holding the developers back. And right now the problem isn't even the graphical effects, but the textures and game art.
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 23:24    Post subject:
We were born too early.

We will never ascend towards the stars, visit your ancestor's genetic memories or bang the woman of your dreams in the intimacy of your empty home.

I like how the first subject that rose up was porn. Oh porn, you so silly!
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 23:28    Post subject:
ClaudeFTW wrote:
We were born too early.

We will never ascend towards the stars, visit your ancestor's genetic memories or bang the woman of your dreams in the intimacy of your empty home.

I like how the first subject that rose up was porn. Oh porn, you so silly!


Maximize your life expectancy by living healthily and you might just live to see the day when biological immortality is reality. Of course, it would help if you're rich as hell too if you want to be among the first in line. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 02:08    Post subject:
inz wrote:
ClaudeFTW wrote:
We were born too early.

We will never ascend towards the stars, visit your ancestor's genetic memories or bang the woman of your dreams in the intimacy of your empty home.

I like how the first subject that rose up was porn. Oh porn, you so silly!


Maximize your life expectancy by living healthily and you might just live to see the day when biological immortality is reality. Of course, it would help if you're rich as hell too if you want to be among the first in line. Razz


I'm Romanian, what are those things of which you speak?

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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 03:49    Post subject:
just forget all this shit ATM.
Look at the notorious "3D PC gaming". Just laugh, huh.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 04:29    Post subject: Re: PC gaming and Quantum computing
S.S.S wrote:
Do you think we will finally be able to reach full level realism with those ?
If such a device could do that in real time, it could simulate itself ... you get the point Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 06:59    Post subject:
dingo_d wrote:
In about >100 years sure why not...


why that long? Ive seen incredible improvement on computers since I got my first one Razz (c64)


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 10:20    Post subject:
Improving a technology which is already in use goes with immense speeds, applying a completely new techinolgy though takes ages Sad It'll take decades before this is applicable to the consumer market.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 10:35    Post subject:
The biggest issue with quantum computers, after they get available, will be software related. It would need completely different approach in programming.

Even today programmers struggle with threaded programming to make most of multi-core machines (without wasting cycles, or freezing the games due to deadlock).

Using quantum computers would be much more drastic change then that.
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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 10:51    Post subject:
All I know is that the kids growing up with those must become a generation of murderers and rapists. I mean, I was 8 when I played RotT and I've been playing "violent" games since forever (Duke, Harry and the likes fall in that category too right?), thoroughly enjoying games like SoF along the way. By today's standards I am one seriously fucked up individual, and overdue for my shooting spree in a random school.





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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 10:56    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
All I know is that the kids growing up with those must become a generation of murderers and rapists. I mean, I was 8 when I played RotT and I've been playing "violent" games since forever (Duke, Harry and the likes fall in that category too right?), thoroughly enjoying games like SoF along the way. By today's standards I am one seriously fucked up individual, and overdue for my shooting spree in a random school.





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