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bxrdj




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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2011 18:17    Post subject: Video Card Update
I just upgraded from GTX285 in SLI to a single MSI Geforce 560TI - ordered a second one right away. Still - this card performs great and I really enjoyed playing some of my favorite titles all maxed out Wink


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2011 18:38    Post subject:
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Frant
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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2011 20:00    Post subject:
Now we're just waiting for Slizza to join the party.


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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2011 21:38    Post subject:
Join what party? I got myself a GTX570 ages ago Razz


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bxrdj




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PostPosted: Fri, 18th Mar 2011 23:58    Post subject:
I figured few extra transistors are not worth the extra $100 for a 570 - and I was always more of a SLI guy. My dual 560TI's will eat any single card out there Smile


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PostPosted: Sat, 19th Mar 2011 00:06    Post subject:
bxrdj wrote:
I figured few extra transistors are not worth the extra $100 for a 570 - and I was always more of a SLI guy. My dual 560TI's will eat any single card out there Smile

When SLI works...

I went from SLI 280s to the 570.


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bxrdj




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PostPosted: Mon, 21st Mar 2011 17:56    Post subject:
yea my second one is coming in today so I will test and report. I have to have sli because I have 3 monitors and a projector connected so 4 outs are a must.


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 03:55    Post subject:
CONGRATS!!! nothing as a good video card!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 09:34    Post subject:
bxrdj wrote:
yea my second one is coming in today so I will test and report. I have to have sli because I have 3 monitors and a projector connected so 4 outs are a must.


A single 6950/6970 can connect up to 6 (!!) devices without the need for Crossfire. Smug


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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 09:45    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
bxrdj wrote:
yea my second one is coming in today so I will test and report. I have to have sli because I have 3 monitors and a projector connected so 4 outs are a must.


A single 6950/6970 can connect up to 6 (!!) devices without the need for Crossfire. Smug


same with 5870 (im using a 2gb 5870 Eyefinity 6 myself..works great!)


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2011 10:51    Post subject:
Im not gonna go for dual cards ever again (atleast on ATI). Had 4890s in Crossfire and all the time i had major problems, then i had HD5970 which obviously had all the time problems aswell, then swapped to GTX 480. Has served well (Can still maxout everything, even stereo 3D enabled enjoyable). SLI/Crossfire has their benefits but overall minimum fps is better on single card than dual cards.

Need to see some reviews from 590GTX if its worth it. If not then im gonna probably wait some new single nvidia card. No point for me upragading to GTX 580, difference is so minimal versus to my heavily overclocked 480, pretty much egual (compared to stock GTX 580 ofc)

Anyway gratz for the new cards :>
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bxrdj




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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 19:53    Post subject:
Frant, i would not go for a ATI card again, I have no interest in anything they have to offer these days. Nvidia is clearly dominating in quality and features for some time now and i am really happy with their cards.

After adding a second card i can comfortably say I am content and happy for at least a year now Wink
Looking forward to booting up Crysis 2 this evening in SLI Wink


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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 20:11    Post subject:
bxrdj wrote:
Frant, i would not go for a ATI card again, I have no interest in anything they have to offer these days. Nvidia is clearly dominating in quality and features for some time now and i am really happy with their cards.

After adding a second card i can comfortably say I am content and happy for at least a year now Wink
Looking forward to booting up Crysis 2 this evening in SLI Wink

What features? PhysX? Laughing
Good to see that well argumented statement though!
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bxrdj




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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 23:11    Post subject:
Cuda / Physx / 3D Vision Support / Nvidia 3DTV play / drivers that actually work /

I am a big supporter of 3D technology and Nvidia clearly has the upper hand on the technology.


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PostPosted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2011 23:21    Post subject:
bxrdj wrote:
Cuda / Physx / 3D Vision Support / Nvidia 3DTV play / drivers that actually work /

I am a big supporter of 3D technology and Nvidia clearly has the upper hand on the technology.

You don't use CUDA, not really. PhysX is fucking crap, makes games look ridiculous with the massive particle spam. It doesn't add realism, it doesn't fix shitty ports and in most cases, it doesn't even add anything that can't be done without PhysX. The only game that used it somewhat properly was Cryostasis; that's 1 out of the..12 or so titles that use GPU PhysX. The thing about the drivers is bullshit, well done on pulling the standard NVIDIA fanboy argument without knowing jackshit about anything.

3D I won't comment about, as I haven't been able to try AMD's version yet. That said, I'll care about it when it goes mainstream in terms of hardware, at which point 3DVision and HD3D will cease to exist in their current form.
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Mar 2011 20:50    Post subject:
Werelds I have a setup with 4 monitors and a projector all hooked together to my SLI system, and the Nvidia drivers really work well for me not just for multi screen display but for easy conversion to SLI for gaming also. I wouldnt consider myself a fanboy because I owned ATI cards before and would ultimately always get disappointed. In any case I as a great supporter of 3D technology will remain with nvidia because it is supported in most games now and it just works.
Btw, I can't wait to get my hands on one of those 27 inch 3d monitors


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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 11:11    Post subject:
Not wanting to start another upgrade thread so.....

I want to upgrade my GTX275 and looking to spend no more that £280 ish.

I have only just started looking today but the 570 looks in my budget, Is this a good upgrade or is there something else i should consider?

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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 12:07    Post subject:
A 6970 should be slightly cheaper, with the same performance (slightly faster at higher resolutions). Best value for money is the 6950 though, I still can't recommend a 6970/570 (let alone 580/590/6990 *shiver*) over that card. Ridiculously good for its price.
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 12:16    Post subject:
But it's ATI!!! never really had a bad experience with ati but i have always had nvidia except for one card along time ago... i see it is 2gb though


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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 12:29    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 12:40    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
The thing about the drivers is bullshit, well done on pulling the standard NVIDIA fanboy argument without knowing jackshit about anything.

Well done on pulling the standard AMD fanboy argument of dismissing any driver issues as nonexistent or trolling or fanboyism. Rolling Eyes
The last few threads here on this board alone are nothing but trolling right? Laughing The "best" "argument" I heard on another forum, someone told me that a month after I removed my 4870X2, drivers suddenly became amazing. Laughing

100% GPU usage? Oh that's not really a bug in the drivers, you just need to jump through 1000 hoops and modify who knows what and dance around the campfire 10 times to hope the zombie jezus answers and it works. Drivers don't recognize the TV properly or can't add custom resolutions? "This never happened to me on my this and that card so this problem is bullshit and you are trolling lol wut" Laughing
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 12:56    Post subject:
You must suck, my HD4850 works fine here Cool Face

The 100% load thing is not a bug btw, it's a feature. Who would buy a bigass GPU to idle?
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 13:05    Post subject:
not a bug, feature.

I'm using ati now but nvidia drivers are better and easier to handle. Don't need a fucking tutorial to install them.

But its not a big deal considering you get more for the money.
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 14:03    Post subject:
iNatan wrote:
Well done on pulling the standard AMD fanboy argument of dismissing any driver issues as nonexistent or trolling or fanboyism. Rolling Eyes
The last few threads here on this board alone are nothing but trolling right? Laughing The "best" "argument" I heard on another forum, someone told me that a month after I removed my 4870X2, drivers suddenly became amazing. Laughing

You had a dual-GPU card, most 9800GX2 users had the same shit back then. Does that instantly make NVIDIA bad? And I'm not saying the issues don't exist, I'm just saying that it's not worse than it is on NVIDIA. Just sheer dumb luck if you're affected by any of it. I had to roll back a driver TWICE in the barely 4 months that I had my GTX 460 - OMG NOES NVIDIA DRIVERS MUST SUCK because I haven't had to do that *once* with both my 5870 in the 9 months I had that, or the 6950 I've now had for just over 4 months.

iNatan wrote:
100% GPU usage? Oh that's not really a bug in the drivers, you just need to jump through 1000 hoops and modify who knows what and dance around the campfire 10 times to hope the zombie jezus answers and it works. Drivers don't recognize the TV properly or can't add custom resolutions? "This never happened to me on my this and that card so this problem is bullshit and you are trolling lol wut" Laughing

That is not happening to everyone, so it's a combination of some software and the driver. We've also already seen even on *this* board that it's not a one-sided bug with the blame lying just with the driver, otherwise all Cypress/Juniper owners would be experiencing it and they're not. And you can add custom resolutions just fine, I did it with the X1250 integrated piece of shit of all chips (HDTV Support -> Add button).


We can go on and on about this, but for every problem I've had with my ATI cards, I've had a problem with my NVIDIA cards as well. And you damn well know that I have constantly gone back and forth between the two sides, and I honestly don't give a flying fuck about which one I have. I can do it too: "100% fan speed after driver update OMG LOLOLOLOL it's a feature, not a bug". Both sides have their issues, period. Anyone claiming that "their" side never does, is full of all kinds of shit and can fuck right off.

NVIDIA drivers do have a more pleasant interface, and I'm sure that for some people the ATI installer is hard (oh noes, clicking more than 2 buttons Sad), but NVIDIA have had their share of issues just the same. NVIDIA's overclocking in the CP is just as shit as ATI's Overdrive, and both fail to do 1080i properly on a TV (at least both did about 9 months ago, dunno what it's like now).
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 15:58    Post subject:
I've had a lot of GPUs in my short nerdlife, from both companies. While the HW always rules (if you buy the right one), the software (i.e. drivers) suck on both. What I did notice though is that CCC has a noticably longer load time at startup.

As for installing CCC, just download the correct package, hit next all the time and it's done. A donkey should be able to do it.
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 18:47    Post subject:
I have had 9500 pro / 9600 pro / 9800 pro / X1950XTX (Still alive and kicking, in friends PC Very Happy) / HD 4890 Single and later CF / HD 5970 from ATI, and always had some shit problems with games.

From Nvidia 7800GTX (which broke in within warranty) / 7900GT (Broke aswell in warranty) / 8800GTX (Aswell broken in warranty) / 280GTX (Guess what, broke aswell in warranty Very Happy) / 480GTX now and still kicking, probably dies within warranty Very Happy

Never had any issues in games on Nvidia cards, apart from that they all have broke in within warranty. I dont care if they blow up, games just works best on Nvidia.
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 18:57    Post subject:
How the fuck did you break those cards ? Overclocking ?
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Apr 2011 19:01    Post subject:
No. The 78xx/79xx were terrible products entirely; the 8800/9800 cards (G80/G92) use a cheap-ass piece of shit soldering causing a bunch of connections to break. Fixing that is very similar to PS3 reflowing, partially the same cause as well.

What games did not work for you then Breezer? Back with my 9700 I never had any issues, although I can't comment on any of the cards between that and Cypress since I never owned one (apart from the X1250 Xpress thing in my previous HTPC).
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