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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 16:02    Post subject: 48/60 FPS (custom) releases of movies?
I recently found a Russian version of Toy Story 3 in 60 FPS, which was obviously mind blowing.

("Toy Story 3 [BDRip-720p 60 FPS] By EXCLUSIF" for those interested, comes with an English audio track)

I only found it by accident, and couldn't find any other movie releases with a higher FPS, apart from a single release of The Hobbit at 25GB, which is a bit too much for me Wink

So now I'm wondering, are there actually any others, or is that Toy Story a one of kind thing?
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 16:13    Post subject:
As far as I know, The Hobbit is the only movie so far that was actually shot at 48fps. I suppose it can be different with CGI animation, since they can probably render it at whatever rate they want. Having said that, I wasn't aware of a TS3 60fps release.

My best guess is that any release of a movie (made for cinemas at least) that is supposedly over 24fps simply has some kind of interpolation tech applied (apart from Hobbit). In this case you could achieve the same/similar result by using 3rd party tools, or your own HDTV if it supports motion interpolation modes (most do these days).
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NFOAC




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 16:23    Post subject:
There are more than 10 movies which are in this 60fps includes Rio and several animation movies these are exclusive Fano tracker done by some Latvian encoder
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akvma
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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 16:45    Post subject:
you could just use the SmoothVideo Project (SVP)
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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 17:04    Post subject:
akvma wrote:
you could just use the SmoothVideo Project (SVP)


lol exactly this, because we're not living in the past anymore. most people still don't know...

60fps re-encodes may have some more carefully computed motion weighted frames inserted but the real-time SVP thing is definitely good enough and saves tons of time.
a few artifacts will turn up either way, anyway
acceptance for high framerate footage is still at an all time low so I wouldn't expect any native 48/60fps footage anytime soon. a few selected movies at best, maybe 3 per year Laughing
there are some genres that profit immensely from it though, including 3d animation
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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 17:46    Post subject:
Wow, I never heard of SVP. Tried it with a couple of movies and series and it's save to say a new world has opened up for me Very Happy


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NFOAC




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 18:52    Post subject:



They say encoding some of the movies took 2 weeks
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Stige




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 19:26    Post subject:
akvma wrote:
you could just use the SmoothVideo Project (SVP)


MY GOD THIS!

This is 100 times better than that shit they advertise on TVs, TrueMotion etc.

120 FPS tends to be a bit choppy though lol.
3x Frames seesm to work just fine.
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NFOAC




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 19:33    Post subject:
For me it shows some errors saying smt module not found while playback.

I downloaded Avatar sample video of 60 fps and it looked so good
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chiv




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 20:36    Post subject:
first id heard of smt. tried it (funnily enough, with avatar as well Very Happy) and.. well... eh... perhaps im doing something wrong, because while SOMETIMES it looks great (usually in very static or slow shots), but since i prefer action films, i actually see quite a lot of ghosting, and i really dislike it. perhaps its not that big of a deal if im on the other side of the room, but sitting infront of the pc its kinda uncomfortable.
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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 21:40    Post subject:
I currently prefer 60fps for Nature Documentaries, Animation, Cartoons, The Newsroom... the rest I still watch at 24. But its fun watching some older movies you've watched 1000 times already in 60fps, changes the experience.
The brain can easily handle it, one experience should not ruin the other.

Slow shots and background activities are mostly perfect, quick pans cause some artifacts and ghosting, yes, but its manageable most of the time.
it must have been hard enough coding the plugin that inserts frames in real-time.
setting SVP shader to complicated helps a bit but you cant get rid of it the artifacts completely.
unless you use artifact masking, but every step sacrifices fluidity
its also very CPU intensive, so resources must be available


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Horrordee
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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jul 2013 23:28    Post subject:
I want to try this 60fps thing you guys are raving about! Anyone got any sample clips - one at 30 one at 60??

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Hfric




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 02:56    Post subject:
once you see a John Claude Van Damme Film in full 60fps YOU NEVER GO BACK
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 02:58    Post subject:
Count me in as another proponent of 60fps video Very Happy
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4treyu




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 04:16    Post subject:
Come on Universal, where's your support!?? Optimize your film or no Blu-Ray purchase! Evil or Very Mad
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NFOAC




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 04:22    Post subject:
Horrordee wrote:
I want to try this 60fps thing you guys are raving about! Anyone got any sample clips - one at 30 one at 60??

I have these will post it when i reach home
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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 09:50    Post subject:
Tried this today - everything looks like it's moving too fast. Gonna take some getting used to. Guess I know what the console users feel like switching to PC now. Very Happy

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sausje
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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 11:18    Post subject:
akvma wrote:
you could just use the SmoothVideo Project (SVP)


Isn't that the same as Motion² from Splash Pro on 60p setting?

Example: http://download.mirillis.com/gfx/clips/Motion2_clip01.swf

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NFOAC




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 18:26    Post subject:
60fps = http://sendfile.su/140848
http://sendfile.su/141340

23.97fps = http://sendfile.su/179720
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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 19:03    Post subject:
Immunity wrote:
Tried this today - everything looks like it's moving too fast. Gonna take some getting used to. Guess I know what the console users feel like switching to PC now. Very Happy

Hehe, yeah it looks weird at first, but you get used to it after a few minutes. I find that it's a lot more relaxed on the eyes, feels more natural to look at.

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Fever




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 20:27    Post subject:
tried hobbit & avengers. its just like how i wanted Very Happy see every detail without fuckin blur Very Happy
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jul 2013 23:55    Post subject:
Seems a bit too smooth for movies for my tastes (my TVs option is more subtle with a nice smoothing effect that doesn't look too soap oper-ish), but it's a nice option to play around with.

Got it set up with PotPlayer with presets, so now I can toggle the effect on and off with a push of a button while watching a movie. Will see if I grow to like it Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2013 00:25    Post subject:
Tried it also, i dont really like that everything looks like soap opera Laughing
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2013 00:52    Post subject:
I'm one of the crazy nut jobs that really enjoys the soap opera look, hehe, something about it just makes the films/TV shows look more "real" and less like... well... movies grinhurt
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Paintface




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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2013 01:34    Post subject:
but there is no 48 fps release of the hobbit with real frames right?
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NFOAC




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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2013 03:22    Post subject:
It would be in December when extended edition comes out
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Hfric




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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2013 04:17    Post subject:
Immunity wrote:
Tried this today - everything looks like it's moving too fast. Gonna take some getting used to. Guess I know what the console users feel like switching to PC now. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2013 06:03    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
I currently prefer 60fps for Nature Documentaries, Animation, Cartoons and Horror, the rest I still watch at 24. But its fun watching some older movies you've watched 1000 times already in 60fps, changes the experience.
The brain can easily handle it, one experience should not ruin the other.

Yep, it's exactly the same for me. Somehow I can't stand the effect on 'regular' action movies/thrillers etc because it makes everything look so unnatural and Beautiful-like, whereas if it's applied to documentaries and animated movies I quite like the result. It depends on the movie though, LoTR for example was pretty great with the effect on.
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4treyu




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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2013 08:27    Post subject:
Question for the early adopters. Would installing SmoothVideo Project mess with my current installation/settings of ffdshow, LAV filters, etc.?
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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jul 2013 09:50    Post subject:
Not by itself, no. It actually runs as a separate application and seems to inject itself into whatever you are playing (if it's supported). If it's not supported by your current configuration it simply won't work.

You might want to check the additional components it installs to see if it will overwrite your current ones.

Edit: and by overwriting I mean that it simply updates it to a different version if you don't have it. If you get SVP Lite it won't do even that - you will need to install additional stuff manually, so you'll have more control.

Edit: Or was it SVP Core? Smile


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