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Neon
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 Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 00:56 Post subject: "PS4 will out-power most PCs for years to come" |
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 00:59 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 00:59 Post subject: |
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Fo sho. The 360 was far more powerful in relation to PC's of the time than the PS4 is now, but it's superiority only lasted about a year until the 8800GTX came out and ran the horribly optimized multiplatform titles better.
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Neon
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 01:01 Post subject: |
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| Divvy wrote: | | Fo sho. The 360 was far more powerful in relation to PC's of the time than the PS4 is now, but it's superiority only lasted about a year until the 8800GTX came out and ran the horribly optimized multiplatform titles better. |
Right, except nothing about PS4 is exceptional when it comes to hardware and can be bought now for any PC.
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sausje
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 01:04 Post subject: |
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Wait what?! Avalance said that?!
WTH, how much did sony bribe them for?
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 01:05 Post subject: |
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Maybe I should've made it clearer that "Fo sho" was me being sarcastic. I thought it was obvious from the extrapolation.
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Cyb3r
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 01:28 Post subject: |
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yep total bullshit and idd it's a crippled 8 core pos would be better if they had gone for a proper 4 core and make games to run on all four cores oh wait they can't bloody do dual cores properly in most games <.<
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ixigia
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 01:45 Post subject: |
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Hehe, I guess we can expect some sweet PS4-exclusives from Avalanche then  
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 01:50 Post subject: |
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If it's revealed that the derpboxNEXT also has 8GB GDDR5, THEN I'll start to worry about developers hurrdurring and fucking up PC ports due to the lower memory bandwidth.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Neon
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 01:56 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | | me7 wrote: | Stay realistic. While the PS4 isn't a revolution in terms of GPU and CPU power, it has a memory bandwidth that your current PC can't compete with. I don't know how memory bandwidth limited game engines generally are, but if game developers build their games with "unlimited bandwidth" in mind, prepare for some disastrous ports  |
And since when has memory ever come into play when it comes to realistic performance? It is always the CPU and GPU that are important, hell, for average use it doesn't even matter what kind of memory your PC has, it won't really increase the performance. |
False, PCMark04 gives me better results if I overclock my RAMZ 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 01:59 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | If it's revealed that the derpboxNEXT also has 8GB GDDR5, THEN I'll start to worry about developers hurrdurring and fucking up PC ports due to the lower memory bandwidth. |
I have the bad sensation that it will regularly happen anyway, regardless of the power of the next box . Because lazy ports are a burden that we have to carry for the rest of our lives..otherwise computer hardware companies would go bankrupt  |
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 02:04 Post subject: |
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Years to come my ass. As if PC hardware manufacturers are going to sit around thinking "oh no we cant come up with anything better than the PS4's GDDR 5!"
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 02:14 Post subject: |
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Also, will these magical 8GB DDR5 :
- Boost the CPU core speed?
- Add extra cores to the CPU?
- Boost the GPU core speed?
- Increase the GPU memory(well, in a way... yes  )?
- Increase the GPU's shader count?
- Increase the HDD's read speed(unless they're planning to use them as a sort of ramdisk)?
If so, I'm in 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 02:24 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 02:33 Post subject: |
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The worst thing is, he may be right, to an extent. PS4, as unit, is an IDENTICAL hardware, across EVERY SINGLE platform. So optimizing a game for something like that, and pulling out the maximum, is very easy compared to doing it for PC, where every unit is different hardware wise. Because, if the ports made for PC are shit, not even 5 times stronger hardware will help. So he is right in one thing, the PS4 will be better if they keep making shitty ports, but in terms of just hardware power, it will NEVER be better than PC.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 02:48 Post subject: |
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All depends on what they are comparing it to. If they consider the "average" PC to be something like an i3 with integrated graphics, they might have a point. But obviously the average gaming PC rig is a tad more powerful.
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 03:46 Post subject: |
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well i dont get the problem... they say MOST pc's... MOST pc's on the planet are old bangers.
sure any serious pc gamer will have a pretty solid rig, but those are well above the specs of MOST pcs on the planet.
so they're RIGHT, really... its just a worthless comparison, because those "MOST" pc's that theyre talking about, arent used for serious or moderate/high-end gaming.
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Frant
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 05:44 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | In computing, DDR4 SDRAM, an abbreviation for double data rate (fourth generation) synchronous dynamic random-access memory, is a type of dynamic random-access memory (DRAM) with a high bandwidth interface expected to be released to market in 2013. It is one of several variants of DRAM, some of which have been in use since the early 1970s and is not compatible with any earlier type of random access memory (RAM) due to different signaling voltages, physical interface and other factors.
Benefits
Its primary benefits compared to DDR3 include a higher range of clock frequencies and data transfer rates (2133–4266 MT/s compared to DDR3's 800 and higher) and lower voltage (1.05–1.2 V for DDR4, compared to 1.2–1.65 V for DDR3) with current remaining the same. DDR4 also anticipates a change in topology. It discards the multiple DIMMs per channel approach in favor of a point-to-point topology where each channel in the memory controller is connected to a single DIMM. Switched memory banks are also an anticipated option for servers. |
| Quote: | | Samsung's DDR4 will be able to run from 1.6 up to 3.2 Gbps, compared to today's typical speeds of 1.6 Gbps for DDR3 and 800 Mbps for DDR2 |
8GB of integrated GDDR5 will be expensive.
| Quote: | | The PS4 will contain 8 GB of GDDR5 unified system memory with a maximum bandwidth of 176 GB/s |
And the AMD CPU isn't a performance CPU, it's an updated variant of the Brazos 2.0, a low power mobile APU.
The 7950 at stock speed of 800MHz has 2.87 teraflops.
PS4: The graphics processing unit (GPU) consists of 18 compute units to produce a theoretical peak performance of 1.84 TFLOP/s.
The PS4 is worse than a fairly mid-range gaming PC in every single instance than it's 8GB GDDR5 unified RAM pool. They have that, and can optimize specifically for a single set of hardware. But any modern gaming PC is already way beyond that, esp. when it comes to CPU & GPU.
Oh well...
Now lets wait for MS announcement.
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 06:54 Post subject: |
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The statement is accurate. Most people run dual cores and have a GPU with 1GB VRAM.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
He didn't say top of the line PCs, he didn't say midrange PCs, he just said most PCs, no? Then nothing wrong with what he said.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
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Frant
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 07:06 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | The statement is accurate. Most people run dual cores and have a GPU with 1GB VRAM.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
He didn't say top of the line PCs, he didn't say midrange PCs, he just said most PCs, no? Then nothing wrong with what he said. |
Many people are playing simple puzzle games and crap on their cheap laptops, affecting the scores. I don't count Steam Hardware Survey as anything to count on. But on the other hand the majority of PC owners in the world aren't hardcore gamers shelling out $300+ for CPU and GPU and have 8+ GB RAM. Yet...
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| Posted: Mon, 11th Mar 2013 07:11 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | consolitis wrote: | The statement is accurate. Most people run dual cores and have a GPU with 1GB VRAM.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
He didn't say top of the line PCs, he didn't say midrange PCs, he just said most PCs, no? Then nothing wrong with what he said. |
Many people are playing simple puzzle games and crap on their cheap laptops, affecting the scores. I don't count Steam Hardware Survey as anything to count on. But on the other hand the majority of PC owners in the world aren't hardcore gamers shelling out $300+ for CPU and GPU and have 8+ GB RAM. Yet... |
You can't exclude them because you don't like the games they play. Not that if you would exclude them much would change, anyway. The most played games on Steam are always the "hardcore" games (not necessarily the most demanding but games that aren't for casual players like 2D puzzles etc, so games that would attract a potential PS4 buyer).
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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