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ixigia
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 19:24    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
Hey kids
listen to this man, he really speaks my mind better than anyone else

I absolutely agree with everything he said
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 19:25    Post subject:
Personally I think he's a useless twat, but then... "IGN editor" really does say it all.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 19:26    Post subject:
What? It means he's an ignorant editor.
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ixigia
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 19:30    Post subject:
dezztroy wrote:
What? It means he's an ignorant editor.

Yeah, exactly ...but we can't deny that sometimes has some moments of lucidity Laughing
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Dazz99




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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 19:52    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
Hey kids
listen to this man, he really speaks my mind better than anyone else
wow pretty retarded for a editor of a popular site

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dezztroy




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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 19:53    Post subject:
It was obviously just a joke. Not saying it's not a retarded joke, but still.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 19:54    Post subject:
dezztroy wrote:
It was obviously just a joke. Not saying it's not a retarded joke, but still.
Yup.

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 19:57    Post subject:
He might be right about FF but he is an idiot, so... whatever.

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 20:03    Post subject:
Lulz. Bioware is flaming teh emo rpgs.
Now I like them even more Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 20:06    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
He might be right about FF but he is an idiot, so... whatever.
I wouldn't say he's right about Final Fantasy unless he's referring to the new one XIII. I do find it amusing though that everybody who most likely hasn't played a single game of the series or atleast one of the classics (VI, V, IX, VII) seems to jump on the bandwagon and yell emo, heh.

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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 20:09    Post subject:
Dazz99 wrote:
PumpAction wrote:
He might be right about FF but he is an idiot, so... whatever.
I wouldn't say he's right about Final Fantasy unless he's referring to the new one XIII. I do find it amusing though that everybody who most likely hasn't played a single game of the series or atleast one of the classics (VI, V, IX, VII) seems to jump on the bandwagon and yell emo, heh.


You turn me on. <3 <3 <3


Muppets seem to think the series started with FFVII, and then judge the rest of the games on the same merit. Fools. Go play FFV or FFVI. Oh wait, you won't... because of the "grafixxxx111!!22"

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 20:14    Post subject:
V and VI were great. VII was ok. IX was meh.
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 20:18    Post subject:
dsergei wrote:
V and VI were great. VII was ok. IX was meh.
I loved IX because it went back to the style of V and VI. It dropped the entire SCI FI angle which VII brought in. The previous games always had a taste of that too but it wasn't totally covered in it.

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Muppets seem to think the series started with FFVII, and then judge the rest of the games on the same merit. Fools. Go play FFV or FFVI. Oh wait, you won't... because of the "grafixxxx111!!22"
Yeah well i'd understand idiots assuming it's an emo pool IF VII was actually some what emo in anyway, it's not. The spin offs are though but nobody gives a flying 747 fuck about them.

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 20:41    Post subject:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
Lulz. Bioware is flaming teh emo rpgs.
Now I like them even more Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 20:44    Post subject:
JRPGs have their place, WRPGs have their place. Both have samples that rock and others that such cock, as with all things in life.

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me7




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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 20:47    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
Hey kids
listen to this man, he really speaks my mind better than anyone else


Spot on except for one part: I find it easy to tell the difference between male and female characters in most of Japanese animation with this little formula:

If it looks like a regular woman....................................it's a man
If it looks like a woman with big tits...............................it's a little girl
And if it looks like a woman with huge tits that must be fake it's a regular woman
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 21:02    Post subject:
lol what an idiot. They stick to the same gameplay style, for years, all their games play almost the same.
Always loved jrpg's, better story, better gameplay etc.

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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Jan 2010 21:03    Post subject:
Why do people want homogenized crap where every game is identical? I can understand if people don't typically like these games (I'm not a fan of the new Final Fantasy's myself in point of fact) but it is starting to piss me off that there's so much talk of the Japanese industry being out of touch and in need of westernisation. It's not, and I hate the way the prototypical American audience and media which make the XBOX so popular and profitable are the vocal voices right now. I personally enjoy the cultural / platform independent differences and I'd hate for PC, Nintendo, Sony games to be indistinguishable from one another.

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Lulz. Bioware is flaming teh emo rpgs.
Now I like them even more

Bioware have the most emo characters going. Carth and Allistair are two recent ones that come to mind.

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last jap game I played was MGS 4 and that had the same problem - 90% cutscenes, 10% gameplay - bleh

You didn't actually play Metal Gear Solid 4, you played 'Metal Gear Solid 4 made for a western audience'.

They altered the mechanics of the game to its detriment. Much, much too straightforward and easy on the default difficulty levels and far more action orientated and forgiving. It's for this reason people are led to believe there's 'no gameplay' but that's only because the default gameplay is nerfed for a western audience. In its defence the westernisation of the controls and gameplay is done extremely well - but you absolutely need to up the difficulty (or at least role play as Snake) before you can enjoy the best of both worlds.

...the cut scene ratio also makes more sense if you view it less as a videogame and more as a segment in the Metal Gear saga. For fans of the original series it is a fantastic experience which taps into nostalgia in a way videogames very rarely, if ever, do.
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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 01:11    Post subject:
the point I agree with the most with that ign editor's rant is the combat system part
it's just really boring and irrational for me
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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 01:45    Post subject:
Final fantasy has too much...reading?
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 03:32    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
the point I agree with the most with that ign editor's rant is the combat system part
it's just really boring and irrational for me


Of course turn-based games aren't to everyone's tastes Smile

Epsilon wrote:
Final fantasy has too much...reading?
Rolling Eyes Laughing


And don't forget; He's sick of seeing feminine guys, he wants to see more "manly" men. Methinks he might not only be a ritalin-doped retard, but also a batter for the other team too Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 07:05    Post subject:
i used to play a lot of jrpgs (final fantasy, dragon warrior/quest, breath of fire, persona, etc.) way back when. i don't anymore because they seem so restrictive. the long cutscenes and downtime don't help either. over the years, i prefer wrpgs over jrpgs for the freedom in the gameplay.

arx fatalis
dragon age origins
deus ex
system shock 2
oblivion
fallout 3
risen

all great wrpgs. i prefer more free-form, sandbox style game types. i feel mass effect to be relatively restrictive. it's controls are a bit awkward. i hope it's more free form in mass effect 2.

i'm looking forward to elder scrols v, risen 2, deus ex 3, dao 2, and fallout 4. i hope they add adult elements like nudity and lots of gore. Very Happy i've been spoiled by the mature contents in the saboteur, wolverine, gta iv, and dao games.
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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 07:23    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
Hey kids
listen to this man, he really speaks my mind better than anyone else



Love it, summarized my hate for jRPG perfectly.

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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 12:17    Post subject:
Ispep wrote:
They altered the mechanics of the game to its detriment. Much, much too straightforward and easy on the default difficulty levels and far more action orientated and forgiving. It's for this reason people are led to believe there's 'no gameplay' but that's only because the default gameplay is nerfed for a western audience. In its defence the westernisation of the controls and gameplay is done extremely well - but you absolutely need to up the difficulty (or at least role play as Snake) before you can enjoy the best of both worlds.

...the cut scene ratio also makes more sense if you view it less as a videogame and more as a segment in the Metal Gear saga. For fans of the original series it is a fantastic experience which taps into nostalgia in a way videogames very rarely, if ever, do.

I agree. I think it was the same problem with "Last Remnant". Too much dumbed-down. Even some korean MMO's have drop rates/xp rates and what not increased to appeal to western audiences. Im playing Valkyrie Profile 2 right now, and man, this game is fucking HAARD! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 13:09    Post subject:
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I loved IX because it went back to the style of V and VI. It dropped the entire SCI FI angle which VII brought in. The previous games always had a taste of that too but it wasn't totally covered in it.


Ditto. IX was one of my favs on the psx for that reason... it's called Final Fantasy, not "Final Sci-Fi with swords that are actually guns" FFS! (referring to ff8 if it wasn't clear grinhurt)
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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 20:40    Post subject:
jRPG isn't all bad. Persona 3 and 4 are both awesome Smile
That said, I'm looking forward more to the next Mass Effect 2 Razz
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PostPosted: Mon, 4th Jan 2010 21:31    Post subject:
actually I totally agree... had that feeling for ages. Not just JRPGs, but most Japanese games :/
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Jan 2010 01:26    Post subject:
Western RPG = easy games that have noob by the hand holding difficulty teasing you with sex and are more action oriented with shallow story line (save something) plus bloom , oh did i forget to add they are piss short like 6h long

European RPG = deep story line(yo mama was raped now kill all and save something) that have sex scenes showing women parts but not the sex act ,more down to earth graphic style and hard difficulty and learning curve , mostly finish able in 3-4 days

JRPG = you must have patience to play those and be open minded for suddenly rape scenes with tentacles , 600000000000000000000000 lines of text that could not be voiced because the sheer amount of it would make it a 9 disk game .... well those games are allready 4 disks , filled with story movies that are filled with motivation why someone has to die (yo mama was raped , you got emotional so now you kill all and then you find out you have to save something because it will save a part of yourself ) , mostly finish able in 250 hours or more

so well the story lines are well... yeah
Western RPG = save something
European RPG = save something that someone took
JRPG = save yourself
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Jan 2010 04:04    Post subject:
wow what a fucking tool in the vid...

Dont think he has ever had a girl in his house.. ever


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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Jan 2010 04:06    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
the point I agree with the most with that ign editor's rant is the combat system part
it's just really boring and irrational for me


What by complaining that "in real life monsters dont wait for turns"

Does he complain bout how you can press the space bar in dragon age ??

Anyways hes a IGN editor.. all he wants is a game that has the word "fuck" in it alot, has shiney things, has explosions , unlimited health and lots of blood
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