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wingR




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010 22:14    Post subject:
haha, I don't know, I'm just looking at the chart, never played the game (just the free trial). Don't know what the cap is if you have the expansions.

But the chart says VIP = 50 Sad


Anyway, I know what you are saying about the limitations for 'hardcore' players, but like I said it's fine for me, I'm happy with the F2P because I play just for fun and I don't care about chat limitations and stuff like that, and if you are a hardcore player, you can pay Smile


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tolanri




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010 22:15    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:
lifetime subscription = act of desperation,

but i thought lotro was doing fine Surprised


LOTRO had lifetime sub option since the launch.
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zmed




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010 22:20    Post subject:
Aslo don't forget Quest Packs

VIP: Eriador (pretty much everything until Moria)

Premium@Free: Ered Luin, Shire, Bree-land (about 20-30 levels worth of quests)
After that, it's either VIP sub, or some kind of quest-pack purchase, we'll see.

As time goes, I start to make peace with this. It's a glorified trial basicly. The chat and AH limitations are there to limit gold-farmer annoyances (was a huge problem before these limitations were live).

so I guess we'll see.


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wingR




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010 22:21    Post subject:
zmed wrote:
Aslo don't forget Quest Packs

VIP: Eriador (pretty much everything until Moria)

Premium@Free: Ered Luin, Shire, Bree-land (about 20-30 levels worth of quests)
After that, it's either VIP sub, or some kind of quest-pack purchase, we'll see.


Those are like 'extra' quests, right?

I mean, I'll be able to play the main quests and secondary quests (or at least a lot of them) without buying those packs?
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zmed




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010 22:28    Post subject:
wingR wrote:
zmed wrote:
Aslo don't forget Quest Packs

VIP: Eriador (pretty much everything until Moria)

Premium@Free: Ered Luin, Shire, Bree-land (about 20-30 levels worth of quests)
After that, it's either VIP sub, or some kind of quest-pack purchase, we'll see.


Those are like 'extra' quests, right?

I mean, I'll be able to play the main quests and secondary quests (or at least a lot of them) without buying those packs?
Eriador is basicly quests up till lvl50.

Ered Luin is the starter area of dwarfs and elves, Bree-land is for humans and the Shire is for halflings. There are a few good questing places there (old-forest, great barrows, etc).

It's possible that world-quests are still available after these zones, and they only limit story missions after these starter areas. There are still a butt loads of story quests, so again...we'll see how much they will limit questing.

Seeing the quest structure of the game, I would assume they will limit story quest access and leave world-quests open for everyone.
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wingR




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010 22:30    Post subject:
I see, thanks Smile
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Tee.




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PostPosted: Fri, 4th Jun 2010 23:45    Post subject:
Story quests are not there for lvling, it's more the "expression" of the scenario, its around 5% of the quests and I think its way less tbh. So you rly need those quest pack to lvl your char.

I think it's a nice thing for casual players and when you think about it more money will probably bring more content. The area coming with this "update" is a HL one soooo maybe they wont forget the serious players...
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Smikis.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 00:03    Post subject:
tolanri wrote:
Smikis. wrote:
lifetime subscription = act of desperation,

but i thought lotro was doing fine Surprised


LOTRO had lifetime sub option since the launch.


no shit sherlock? i was in lotro beta.. back in the days.. i obviously know.. that doesnt change the fact.. lotro is only mmo with lifetime sub that didnt fail completely .. but failed obviously
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tolanri




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 00:10    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:
tolanri wrote:
Smikis. wrote:
lifetime subscription = act of desperation,

but i thought lotro was doing fine Surprised


LOTRO had lifetime sub option since the launch.


no shit sherlock? i was in lotro beta.. back in the days.. i obviously know.. that doesnt change the fact.. lotro is only mmo with lifetime sub that didnt fail completely .. but failed obviously


Ok, so you're saying they were desperate since the launch?
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Tee.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 01:27    Post subject:
I think he is saying that this f2p is a failure but being smarter than some I will wait for the thing to come out before calling it a fail !

Wait and see !
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Smikis.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 01:39    Post subject:
tolanri wrote:
Smikis. wrote:
tolanri wrote:


LOTRO had lifetime sub option since the launch.


no shit sherlock? i was in lotro beta.. back in the days.. i obviously know.. that doesnt change the fact.. lotro is only mmo with lifetime sub that didnt fail completely .. but failed obviously


Ok, so you're saying they were desperate since the launch?


game was horrid in beta.. so you could say so.. if you expect to make superb game which will last at least 5 years , you would never offer lifetime sub for 200 bucks... and there been plenty of discount for it going for as low as 100..

personally i thought they will run out of lore.. but they keep making shit up... considering they barely own any rights , unless they bought more.. which i doubt
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Tee.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 01:50    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:
tolanri wrote:
Smikis. wrote:


no shit sherlock? i was in lotro beta.. back in the days.. i obviously know.. that doesnt change the fact.. lotro is only mmo with lifetime sub that didnt fail completely .. but failed obviously


Ok, so you're saying they were desperate since the launch?


game was horrid in beta.. so you could say so.. if you expect to make superb game which will last at least 5 years , you would never offer lifetime sub for 200 bucks... and there been plenty of discount for it going for as low as 100..

personally i thought they will run out of lore.. but they keep making shit up... considering they barely own any rights , unless they bought more.. which i doubt


Ignorance is such a mean bitch !
They barely own any rights, ye ofc everything written by Tolkien is own by the Middle earth Enterprise , formerly Tolkien enterprise and Turbine is one of the licensed company by The M.E enterprise not many companies are btw. So they can use the lore of Tolkien books (all of em ) but it has to be reviewed by the M.E.E. I think there is more than enough lore to build a game with. lotro is 3year old and have a very stable but I reckon not very high population...

Anyway no need to argue huh Rolling Eyes
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crossmr




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 02:31    Post subject:
Tee. wrote:


Hmm weird my char is 65 Smug


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* Purchasers of the Mines of Moria™ expansion get access to the Mines of Moria region and content, premium classes (Rune-Keeper and Warden), legendary items feature, Tier 6 crafting feature, 2 extra character slots and a level cap of 60. Purchasers of the Siege of Mirkwood™ expansion get access to the Siege of Mirkwood region and content, a level cap of 65 and the Siege of Mirkwood skirmishes.


You have the Expansions obviously.
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Tee.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 02:58    Post subject:
Obviously Rolling Eyes but I don't think there is a lot of people looking at the lvl 65 from their lvl 50char c'mon... why playing a mmo if not to level your character to the max?
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tolanri




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 03:08    Post subject:
Tee. wrote:
Obviously Rolling Eyes but I don't think there is a lot of people looking at the lvl 65 from their lvl 50char c'mon... why playing a mmo if not to level your character to the max?


Hmm...to have fun while you are playing it? For example I signed up for infinite trial AoC. I enjoy to make some char and hit 20 in Tortage every now and then, play some PvP and that's it - come back after a month or two. Same with Warhammer Online and its Tier 1 for free indifinitely. There's no point in gaining max level except for e-flexing in starting areas (and nobody gives a shit anyway, it's not like it takes anything to reach max level anymore). To be honest unlike WoW borefest lvl1-7x these starting areas in WO or AoC are very well done and they are fun to play. And that's good.

So personally I'm happy that LOTR:O is going partially to F2P, I won't pay for it obviously, it's been long time since I was willing to pay subs. Having these free opportunities to have fun in AoC, WO, DnD:O or now LOTRO is nice. It definitely offers few hours of entertainment every now and then with friends and what not.

Same goes for Guild Wars (especially Guild Wars 2). You just buy a game and can log in anytime you want without stupid subscription shit. I mean you pay 15 bucks for one month and few hours later you quit and don't come back for the rest of subscription period. And that's 15 bucks down the drain. Stupid shit.
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chiv




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 03:36    Post subject:
i didnt know this was going f2p... only just saw it today.. think ill have to give it a go maybe. for a month or 2 till my eyes glaze over and i get bored of it like mmo's usually do to me...
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Sexie




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 16:19    Post subject:
zmed wrote:
tolanri wrote:
zmed wrote:
May it rest in peace.


Uhm...why?
Going F2P is pretty much a last effort a MMO could make to save itself.

I certeanly hope that it's not as serious as this move make it seem, but I'm very sceptical about the future of the game.


contradicts what is happening with DDO . . .

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Similar move increased Turbines profits from D&D:O by about 500% (read the announcement somewhere), so it is logical they will try it with LOTRO as well. Especially since there will be new games coming later this year as well as the new year. It's not pure F2P, more like extended trial.
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Smikis.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 16:52    Post subject:
Tee. wrote:
Smikis. wrote:
tolanri wrote:


Ok, so you're saying they were desperate since the launch?


game was horrid in beta.. so you could say so.. if you expect to make superb game which will last at least 5 years , you would never offer lifetime sub for 200 bucks... and there been plenty of discount for it going for as low as 100..

personally i thought they will run out of lore.. but they keep making shit up... considering they barely own any rights , unless they bought more.. which i doubt


Ignorance is such a mean bitch !
They barely own any rights, ye ofc everything written by Tolkien is own by the Middle earth Enterprise , formerly Tolkien enterprise and Turbine is one of the licensed company by The M.E enterprise not many companies are btw. So they can use the lore of Tolkien books (all of em ) but it has to be reviewed by the M.E.E. I think there is more than enough lore to build a game with. lotro is 3year old and have a very stable but I reckon not very high population...

Anyway no need to argue huh Rolling Eyes



they cant use all of the books.. well maybe they can now, since wb bought turbine( and they had lotro rights ) , when game was released, they barely could use couple of chapters.. not to mention books or all of them.. there were press releases at game release, and its close to impossible find them now...
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-=Cartoon=-
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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:04    Post subject:
downloading now.. wtf is the diff types ??

Says im downloading the siege of mirkwood.. and i see there is a mines of moria too ?
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Flagship




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:10    Post subject:
Well the whole game is :
The Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar + Mines of Moria expansion+ Siege of Mirkwood expansion

I bought game few weeks back and im really enjoying it. It has very laid back atmosphere ( for now ) Razz
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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:11    Post subject:
its laid back cause its flowery like a summer meadow with an additional few crates of cider and mormon girls...

lovely looking just not enough gore and pvp for my liking..
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tolanri




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:19    Post subject:
Sexie wrote:
contradicts what is happening with DDO . . .

Quote:
Similar move increased Turbines profits from D&D:O by about 500% (read the announcement somewhere), so it is logical they will try it with LOTRO as well. Especially since there will be new games coming later this year as well as the new year. It's not pure F2P, more like extended trial.


Yeah, btw. if you are interested in source, the article about DDO F2P 500% revenue gain is here
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Flagship




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:25    Post subject:
True, what you said moose. It is definitely not a game for people who like PvP.
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Tee.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:28    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:
Tee. wrote:
Smikis. wrote:


game was horrid in beta.. so you could say so.. if you expect to make superb game which will last at least 5 years , you would never offer lifetime sub for 200 bucks... and there been plenty of discount for it going for as low as 100..

personally i thought they will run out of lore.. but they keep making shit up... considering they barely own any rights , unless they bought more.. which i doubt


Ignorance is such a mean bitch !
They barely own any rights, ye ofc everything written by Tolkien is own by the Middle earth Enterprise , formerly Tolkien enterprise and Turbine is one of the licensed company by The M.E enterprise not many companies are btw. So they can use the lore of Tolkien books (all of em ) but it has to be reviewed by the M.E.E. I think there is more than enough lore to build a game with. lotro is 3year old and have a very stable but I reckon not very high population...

Anyway no need to argue huh Rolling Eyes



they cant use all of the books.. well maybe they can now, since wb bought turbine( and they had lotro rights ) , when game was released, they barely could use couple of chapters.. not to mention books or all of them.. there were press releases at game release, and its close to impossible find them now...


Ye sure !
Just please stop being stubborn and silly at the same time it is very hard to cope with.

http://www.middleearth.com/current_licensees.html
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moosenoodles




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:32    Post subject:
Flagship wrote:
True, what you said moose. It is definitely not a game for people who like PvP.


dont get me wrong though, I am a turbine well old turbine dev team admirer, they just got all lost somewhere again with new staff changes etc etc.. Lotro is very well made solid coding and great looking.. I just got bored at lvl 50 before expansions came out.. The monster play be more fun if it allowed more freedom to roam and attack hobbits Very Happy..

gfx means shit to me most of the time regarding mmo's not many can do content/feel and gfx of goodness and get away with it.. Turbines first mmo was still the best and although crummy looking today, the playability and fun/content and questing is 2nd to none...
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Tee.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:47    Post subject:
moosenoodles wrote:
Flagship wrote:
True, what you said moose. It is definitely not a game for people who like PvP.


dont get me wrong though, I am a turbine well old turbine dev team admirer, they just got all lost somewhere again with new staff changes etc etc.. Lotro is very well made solid coding and great looking.. I just got bored at lvl 50 before expansions came out.. The monster play be more fun if it allowed more freedom to roam and attack hobbits Very Happy..

gfx means shit to me most of the time regarding mmo's not many can do content/feel and gfx of goodness and get away with it.. Turbines first mmo was still the best and although crummy looking today, the playability and fun/content and questing is 2nd to none...


Well it seems the next "focus" will include monster play aka PvMP, it's always fun playing as a spider or a warg but tbh roaming always in the same area for years is not really appealing. The devs always said LOTRO is a pve game and ressources will always be invested in it first. And sadly/happily the monsters will never get out of their tiny map.

The main problem about LOTRO is not the quality of HL, I really think their instances are one of the bests you can find around but there is a lack in quantity, 6 month between 2 raids is really hard to endure for a HL guild.
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Smikis.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 17:49    Post subject:
Tee. wrote:
Smikis. wrote:
Tee. wrote:


Ignorance is such a mean bitch !
They barely own any rights, ye ofc everything written by Tolkien is own by the Middle earth Enterprise , formerly Tolkien enterprise and Turbine is one of the licensed company by The M.E enterprise not many companies are btw. So they can use the lore of Tolkien books (all of em ) but it has to be reviewed by the M.E.E. I think there is more than enough lore to build a game with. lotro is 3year old and have a very stable but I reckon not very high population...

Anyway no need to argue huh Rolling Eyes



they cant use all of the books.. well maybe they can now, since wb bought turbine( and they had lotro rights ) , when game was released, they barely could use couple of chapters.. not to mention books or all of them.. there were press releases at game release, and its close to impossible find them now...


Ye sure !
Just please stop being stubborn and silly at the same time it is very hard to cope with.

http://www.middleearth.com/current_licensees.html


are you retarded in some way ? first off warner bros owns all rights to lotr games, since they bought turbine.. which obviously makes turbine have all the rights too.. which i already said..

second of i was speaking about turbine rights when game launched..

third off showing page with 10 different icons doesnt say anything.. nor does it describe how much each of them have..
Quote:

http://www.middleearth.com/licensing_contacts.html

Warner Bros. Consumer Products
Karen McTier
4001 West Olive Avenue
Burbank, California 91505
Ph: 818-954-7980


For merchandising rights or services based on the film trilogy of The Lord of the Rings and its artwork.




Quote:
The game's milieu is based on The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. However, Turbine does not have rights to any other works in Tolkien's legendarium, such as The Silmarillion or The Children of Húrin.


this is info from wikipedia.. and probably updated which isnt helping me now, since turbine bought new rights in 2008 and extended license , i cant find original press release 3 years after game launch.. but if you dont have your facts.. claiming that turbine owns everything. when in fact wb owns everything + turbine..
and the fact that i was speaking about turbine rights when game launched. not about now

Lutzifer: are you now banned in some way? [see added emphasis for reason]
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Tee.




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 19:41    Post subject:
Smikis. wrote:
Tee. wrote:
Smikis. wrote:



they cant use all of the books.. well maybe they can now, since wb bought turbine( and they had lotro rights ) , when game was released, they barely could use couple of chapters.. not to mention books or all of them.. there were press releases at game release, and its close to impossible find them now...


Ye sure !
Just please stop being stubborn and silly at the same time it is very hard to cope with.

http://www.middleearth.com/current_licensees.html


are you retarded in some way ? first off warner bros owns all rights to lotr games, since they bought turbine.. which obviously makes turbine have all the rights too.. which i already said..

second of i was speaking about turbine rights when game launched..

third off showing page with 10 different icons doesnt say anything.. nor does it describe how much each of them have..
Quote:

http://www.middleearth.com/licensing_contacts.html

Warner Bros. Consumer Products
Karen McTier
4001 West Olive Avenue
Burbank, California 91505
Ph: 818-954-7980


For merchandising rights or services based on the film trilogy of The Lord of the Rings and its artwork.




Quote:
The game's milieu is based on The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. However, Turbine does not have rights to any other works in Tolkien's legendarium, such as The Silmarillion or The Children of Húrin.


this is info from wikipedia.. and probably updated which isnt helping me now, since turbine bought new rights in 2008 and extended license , i cant find original press release 3 years after game launch.. but if you dont have your facts.. claiming that turbine owns everything. when in fact wb owns everything + turbine..
and the fact that i was speaking about turbine rights when game launched. not about now


OMG OMG could someone lend him a brain? I'm done talking to you...
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Mussolinka
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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 19:58    Post subject:
Tee. wrote:
Smikis. wrote:
Tee. wrote:


Ye sure !
Just please stop being stubborn and silly at the same time it is very hard to cope with.

http://www.middleearth.com/current_licensees.html


are you retarded in some way ? first off warner bros owns all rights to lotr games, since they bought turbine.. which obviously makes turbine have all the rights too.. which i already said..

second of i was speaking about turbine rights when game launched..

third off showing page with 10 different icons doesnt say anything.. nor does it describe how much each of them have..
Quote:

http://www.middleearth.com/licensing_contacts.html

Warner Bros. Consumer Products
Karen McTier
4001 West Olive Avenue
Burbank, California 91505
Ph: 818-954-7980


For merchandising rights or services based on the film trilogy of The Lord of the Rings and its artwork.




Quote:
The game's milieu is based on The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. However, Turbine does not have rights to any other works in Tolkien's legendarium, such as The Silmarillion or The Children of Húrin.


this is info from wikipedia.. and probably updated which isnt helping me now, since turbine bought new rights in 2008 and extended license , i cant find original press release 3 years after game launch.. but if you dont have your facts.. claiming that turbine owns everything. when in fact wb owns everything + turbine..
and the fact that i was speaking about turbine rights when game launched. not about now


OMG OMG could someone lend him a brain? I'm done talking to you...


You lost the epic internet battle of wits!
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Taffelost




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PostPosted: Sat, 5th Jun 2010 21:48    Post subject:
The lack of PvP in LoTRO really isn't an issue for me. I've stopped playing on PvP-servers in these fantasy games as well because it's just bs anyway. Being killed is just annoying as there's no consequences except for being transported to a respawn point.

EVE-Online has redefined my view on PvP completely. If there isn't real consequences related to dying I can't generate neither excitement, grief nor joy. PvP without consequences is pointless as far as I'm concerned. Darkfall mechanics had potential, but sadly the game itself was fail. Full loot is the only way to go from now on for me. If not I'm perfectly happy playing on a PvE server.
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