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clragon




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 17:17    Post subject:
do you guys realize how pissed off the old fans of SC (especially those in korea) would be if they drastically changed the game...? they've added many new features in multiplayer to introduce new aspects to the battles, and also lower the APM requirement for economy/unit management.

it's some people's opinion that sc2 should have been more innovative in terms of multiplayer like THQ have in the past. I'd have to disagree. if you innovate for the sake of innovation you run the risk of loosing what made the game special (for me, I liked DoW much more than DoW II) and alienating the old fans. blizzard had to be careful about the core dynamics of competitive gaming so that the old fans would be willing to migrate.

however, if you look at the single player and map editor, that's where all the new innovations were made. in single player you get to play with units that were taken out of multiplayer due to difficulty in balance or overlapping unit responsibilities (firebat, soldier medic) which is pretty awesome. You also get to upgrade your units/buildings between missions with things that are not available in multiplayer due to balance issues. for example:

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* Shrike Turret (Zerg Research): Outfits all bunkers with an automatic turret.
* Perdition Turret (Zerg Research): Flame turret that conceals itself when out of combat.
* Ultra-Capacitors (Protoss Research): Weapon upgrades in the Armory and Engineering Bay increase attack speed by 5% in addition to increasing damage.
* Automated Refinery (Protoss Research): Refineries no longer require SCV's to harvest.


and the map editor is amazing. beta isn't even over and people have made ridiculously cool maps that I didn't think would be possible. some examples:







and it's also possible for stats to be uploaded from custom maps to the creator's server. this allows for highscore uploading and maybe the saving of stats as well for RPG games.

if these things still do not convince you blizzard has implemented new things to this game, then I guess SC2 is just not for you. Sad
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dezztroy




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 17:21    Post subject:
FISKER_Q wrote:


Games don't have to be entirely different from their predecessors to be a good game.



That's true, they don't. But it'd be nice if this wasn't just a graphical update to Starcraft 1 along with a few new units.

Also, HL2 was pretty much the first game to incorporate physics into the actual gameplay (atleast in an FPS).

The map editor is the only reason I'm even remotely interested in this game.
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SteelBlade




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 17:53    Post subject:
Just came over this.Did any1 tryed to dl it?

StarCraft 2 Wings Of Liberty Retail (enGB)

Is it worth the effort?


I think,therefore i am,but not necessarily today.
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gold24




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 17:56    Post subject:
u can already download game from there servers probably same thing
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FISKER_Q




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 17:58    Post subject:
Overlord123 wrote:
Actually it was Westwood that created the concept 6 years before Blizzard with Dune II.


I wasn't talking about the concept of a RTS as a genre, otherwise all games would be poor clones of Dune 2 Razz

You know like how Warcraft 3 is different from Starcraft which again is different from DoW2, and so on?

dezztroy wrote:

That's true, they don't. But it'd be nice if this wasn't just a graphical update to Starcraft 1 along with a few new units.


I think you're selling it a bit short there, sure for me it's kind of the same, but just new units, but for more experienced players it's likely a big deal the changes they've made to the game.

But other than that i think the huge upset in terms of innovation will be in the Singleplayer game, of course i don't know if the way they shaped singleplayer will be successful, but honestly looking back on so many RTS' in the past, many of them have had basically the same simple "destroy the enemy"-objective.

But if we're to believe Blizzard that's definitely changing with Starcraft 2, and atleast for me i believe that will be the place where people will definitely see some of the cool new stuff they made for the game.


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djaoni




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 17:59    Post subject:
dezztroy wrote:
FISKER_Q wrote:


Games don't have to be entirely different from their predecessors to be a good game.



That's true, they don't. But it'd be nice if this wasn't just a graphical update to Starcraft 1 along with a few new units.

Also, HL2 was pretty much the first game to incorporate physics into the actual gameplay (atleast in an FPS).

The map editor is the only reason I'm even remotely interested in this game.


Being just interested about the editor isn't necessarily a bad thing.. Very Happy






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FISKER_Q




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 18:12    Post subject:
SteelBlade wrote:
Just came over this.Did any1 tryed to dl it?

StarCraft 2 Wings Of Liberty Retail (enGB)

Is it worth the effort?


That depends, the installation is encrypted, and it won't be unlocked until 24:00 on launch night, from there on you will need a SC2-activated Battle.net account, which you won't have until you have a key.

Keys won't be sold digitally until 10:00 CEST, so that's 10 hours of nothing, on the other hand if you can get your hands on a physical copy before that, then you don't need the download anyway.
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Overlord123




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 18:44    Post subject:
FISKER_Q wrote:
Overlord123 wrote:
Actually it was Westwood that created the concept 6 years before Blizzard with Dune II.


I wasn't talking about the concept of a RTS as a genre, otherwise all games would be poor clones of Dune 2 Razz

They are Cool Face
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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 18:47    Post subject:
@those videos
WOW!!
The custom maps will probably more like mini custom games Very Happy
Cant't wait for it Surprised


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Surray




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 19:11    Post subject:
acRon_ wrote:
@those videos
WOW!!
The custom maps will probably more like mini custom games :D
Cant't wait for it :o


exactly, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
in a few years and you'll have stuff in there that you never thought would even be possible.


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trucane




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 20:04    Post subject:
Seriously why is so many people complaining that it is so similair to Starcraft 1? At the same time most people complain how dumbed down games are today and they prefer the way they used to be.

Oh well please blizzard listen to these "innovative people". Please remove all base building and minerals. Remove all uniqueness from the races and make them completely bland oh and while your at it remove supply cap and add cover + regenerating health for all units.
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dezztroy




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 20:48    Post subject:
Okay Blizzboy. :3

Cause trying something new = Dumbing down, right? Right?
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Pl@tinum




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 20:55    Post subject:
I'm just bitching about lack of innovation on the multi, i'm sure the single will kick ass (I hope).
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 20:57    Post subject:
@dezztroy
Hey, if you look at something like EndWar, you can see why the man fears change or new. Laughing

Pl@tinum wrote:
i'm sure the single will kick ass (I hope).



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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 21:25    Post subject:
Heh, EndWar (And that "Stormrise" which is a better example as support was dropped extremely quickly whereas Endwar got a few patches to fix it up somewhat.) kinda felt like they attempted to copy the older Ground Control formula and that game was fairly successful, Battlezone a bit as well perhaps but I don't remember much about it.
(Or similar games.)

On the other hand it seems a lot of studios do try to mainstream and "innovate" games such as seen lately with Fable or C&C.
(Not that it always fails or anything, I enjoyed Dawn of War 2 a lot whereas it is quite different from the first one.)

SC2 SP looks pretty interesting from what little I've seen of it, not much for multiplayer gaming in general though so I don't know if I'll purchase it or wait until pricing comes down or such.
(Unsure about cracks and such with this Battle.net verification thing as well, loader/emulator mayhap but those take time, or usually they do.)
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trucane




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 21:26    Post subject:
dezztroy wrote:
Okay Blizzboy. :3

Cause trying something new = Dumbing down, right? Right?


in 90% of cases, yes. But since you are the master of trying something new why don't you come up with some good changes for starcraft 2?
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 22:20    Post subject:
Most overhyped game of ALL TIME..

However while i enjoyed starcraft.. i never thought it was anything special.. felt sterile and a bit.. plain for my taste..
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 22:24    Post subject:
-=Cartoon=- wrote:
Most overhyped game of ALL TIME..

No, you are negative about this game, you must not post here! This is only for those that like it! Rolling Eyes
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Rxsazabi




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 22:25    Post subject:

with ad like this, its hard not to get overhyped Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 22:26    Post subject:
No, with this ad it is easy to see why no changes have been made to the game since the first. Wink The fear of Korean Zerg rush must be really serious. Laughing
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Rxsazabi




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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 22:27    Post subject:

oh here there in flight menu Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 17th Jul 2010 22:56    Post subject:
I'm excited to see how the original e-sport (PC e-sport) lives up again Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Jul 2010 07:35    Post subject:
trucane wrote:
dezztroy wrote:
Okay Blizzboy. :3

Cause trying something new = Dumbing down, right? Right?


in 90% of cases, yes. But since you are the master of trying something new why don't you come up with some good changes for starcraft 2?


wouldnt argue too much with dezztroy, he is a whiny little troll all his life it seems and all he does on this forum is bitch and moan about anything, no matter how stupid it makes him look Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Jul 2010 07:47    Post subject:
Funny, coming from someone who believes an octopus could be psychic. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Jul 2010 10:20    Post subject:
Hey, I like the game ! Reminds me of the good ol' times, set up 2 teams me+AI vs 2 AI and let the good times roll.

Needs more gfx, though, my PC is bored running SC2.
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dezztroy




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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Jul 2010 10:24    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
trucane wrote:
dezztroy wrote:
Okay Blizzboy. :3

Cause trying something new = Dumbing down, right? Right?


in 90% of cases, yes. But since you are the master of trying something new why don't you come up with some good changes for starcraft 2?


wouldnt argue too much with dezztroy, he is a whiny little troll all his life it seems and all he does on this forum is bitch and moan about anything, no matter how stupid it makes him look Smile


I'm sorry for not thinking everything made by Blizzard is worth sucking dick over. :shrug:
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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Jul 2010 11:24    Post subject:
dezztroy wrote:
Sin317 wrote:
trucane wrote:


in 90% of cases, yes. But since you are the master of trying something new why don't you come up with some good changes for starcraft 2?


wouldnt argue too much with dezztroy, he is a whiny little troll all his life it seems and all he does on this forum is bitch and moan about anything, no matter how stupid it makes him look Smile


I'm sorry for not thinking everything made by Blizzard is worth sucking dick over. :shrug:



sorry dude, but you do whine and bitch a lot and not only in "blizz" games threats, but about anywhere.
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dezztroy




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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Jul 2010 12:00    Post subject:
I btich when theres' a reason to. Which is quite often with games today.
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Smikis.




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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Jul 2010 12:53    Post subject:
for "hating "sc2 you guys sure post a lot about it..

there are sport games, which have 3 new features, new rooster ( which can be modified by player too ) and sometimes bit more blur.. and we get like 10 of those per year.. np noone seem to complain..

there is 200 fps.. which is same, with new face and new bear, couple new missions, which in the end are the same.. just presented differently , noone cares..

there are 50 rts which failed by changing..

i loved dow1, game i consider one of the best in rts ( sure it had engine issues and stuff ), then there came dow2, what i wanted from dow.. bit better graphics, maybe couple new units, A FIXED ENGINE, fixed path finding, bit more balance... in the end, i wanted same but improved game

what i got , something i couldnt call dow, sure by now everyone got used to new dow2 ,but you cant exactly call it success and uproar was huge when dow 2 beta started and we saw its nothing like original

then there is red alert cnc and all others which failed by changing , and releasing new one every year

but now 12 years latter, you get game that is actually same but better , and for some reason you go apeshit ,

sc2 is worth buying for map editor a lone, i bought wc3 for map editor and its still best game i bought by far
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dezztroy




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PostPosted: Sun, 18th Jul 2010 13:09    Post subject:
You see, we didn't wait 12 years for DoW 2.

And how you can call DoW 2 not a success, I've no idea.
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