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I bought jetpac for the vic20 back in the day. Was gutted when I couldn't play it though as I didn't have the memory expansion needed to play it. Standard vic20 only had 5kb of mem lol.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 15:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 15:53 Post subject: |
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my first games were text adventures on cartridges and tapes for the vic 20. Nothing but reading. Loved them up through the late 80's when they became less popular as graphics became more popular. Infocom ftw.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 15:55 Post subject: |
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| dodger2020 wrote: | | my first games were text adventures on cartridges and tapes for the vic 20. Nothing but reading. Loved them up through the late 80's when they became less popular as graphics became more popular. Infocom ftw. |
">Melt wizard"
">What do you want melt him with?"
">Throw thermal pod"
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 15:56 Post subject: |
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you make it sound like it was the age of literary gold, when it more often then not came down to the following, because of inadequate computer hard- and software back in the days:
USE banstick AGAINST whining
And yes, i loved every second of it, but i m also not complaining about the new games. Streamlining can make games much less fun, yes. But that also happens to newer games (see for example the great prince of persia games' play-mechanism in contrast to let's say the dumbed down one of assasin's creed). So it is not necessarily a problem of then against now, but imho rather one of bad game vs. good game (or maybe even console derps vs. the pc gaming master race  ).
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:03 Post subject: |
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Still PS:T had an estimated 800k word count, try putting that in the cramped memory of the C64, vic20 or ZX Spectrum(+). RPG's started for me with BG.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:11 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Lutzifer wrote: | you make it sound like it was the age of literary gold, when it more often then not came down to the following, because of inadequate computer hard- and software back in the days:
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When you can't have "pretty grafixxxx!!111" you focus on gameplay and story  I'd rather play Monty on the Run or Jet Set Willy than Gears of War or Halo ANY day of the week! |
there is also the middleway and enjoy both for what they offer(/ed). Or for example, you could play pen and paper RPGs with friends, which is imho even better than the old text-adventures, when you have a good master & group.
And i really liked Halo (1 & 2) and GoW for their story. Gameplay was also enjoyable. But i know what you mean. Both felt like they were trying to dumb down the experience somewhat. As i said, i blame the consoles, not the advances in tech / gfx. |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:13 Post subject: |
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I'm all for the middle ground when it doesn't impact on either site. Lately it seems we're getting less and less quality, and more streamlined trash.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:31 Post subject: |
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| iconized wrote: | | Still PS:T had an estimated 800k word count, try putting that in the cramped memory of the C64, vic20 or ZX Spectrum(+). RPG's started for me with BG. |
Wasteland, Dragon Wars, Ultima VII, Ultima Underworld, Darklands, Daggerfall, Magic Candle etc. weren't RPGs? Saying that Baldur's Gate gave birth to the genre is like saying that the first FPS was Half-Life.
Memory limitation never stopped programmers from making good, and great - like those I listed before, role-playing games. And I rank them over BG (at least the first one) every day.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:45 Post subject: |
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| capretto wrote: | | iconized wrote: | | Still PS:T had an estimated 800k word count, try putting that in the cramped memory of the C64, vic20 or ZX Spectrum(+). RPG's started for me with BG. |
Wasteland, Dragon Wars, Ultima VII, Ultima Underworld, Darklands, Daggerfall, Magic Candle etc. weren't RPGs? Saying that Baldur's Gate gave birth to the genre is like saying that the first FPS was Half-Life.
Memory limitation never stopped programmers from making good, and great - like those I listed before, role-playing games. And I rank them over BG (at least the first one) every day. |
computer RPG's for me started with Bard's Tale I on the c64 in 85 or so. Loved those games and their square dungeons haha I've still got some old graph paper maps around somewhere.
I guess, technically, it was Telengard but that wasn't really roleplaying. 
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 16:47 Post subject: |
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who the fuck wants to read a shitload of stuff in games? i certainly don't. i have books for this.
voice over + english subs = best way to go.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 17:21 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I'm all for the middle ground when it doesn't impact on either site. Lately it seems we're getting less and less quality, and more streamlined trash. |
maybe i was reading it into your posts then, because i can agree on that one! |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 17:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 17:43 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 17:55 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | so you could tweak the datasette when certain games failed to load... |
or swear at the computer till you had no more voice.
BEST GAMES YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED (click)
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 18:01 Post subject: |
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Beta did a tribute to the 16k Era with Hey Hey 16k
http://www2.b3ta.com/heyhey16k/
IMHO its fantastic
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 18:18 Post subject: |
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lets wind shit forward a little bit.. cannon fodder anyone?
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 19:13 Post subject: |
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Meh, to begin with I never really liked the ultima series at all except for maybe UO but that's a different genre altogether.
I think that this generation now though are just being spoon-fed, the less they have to think in video-games the better.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 19:16 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | lets wind shit forward a little bit.. cannon fodder anyone? |
Oh christ, yes. I loved it, it was cruel and sadistic in its difficulty, but I loved it.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 19:21 Post subject: |
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well, in order to minimize tape failures, i used to record all my Spectrum Z80 games on a semi-pro magnetophon (a russian Rostov 105, with three electrical motors, ferrite-glass reading head, wire remote control, electromechanic commands, integrated stereo amp, etc. ).
I used it so much, i knew many of the games only by their load sound.
My first PC RPG however, was "Lands of Lore". And that got me started...
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 19:25 Post subject: |
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I think the first "true" RPG, not console RPG, was Bard's Tale on my Amstrad PC-1512 (dual 5.25" floppy drives baby! No HDD!)
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Sep 2010 19:36 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | | I reckon people are getting more idiotic with each generation. |
Are you smarter than your father?
There were plenty of good games back in the day but you don't remember the shit ones. You learnt english from inputting commands in your favourite game but you don't remember all the games that meant nothing to you. This thread is a confirmation bias filled nostalgic wankfest (as usual, you soppy pessimistic old timers).
I agree Oblivion was overly streamlined, not just in the GPS but also in the fast travel nonsense. It took a huge world and made it tiny. But lets remember that even a text based adventure only showed you what was important. A 3d world has so much clutter and non-interesting terrain that getting where you need to go can be a legitimate problem.
It seems like the further we go, the more the artistry collides with the gameplay. Every cinematic cutscene cuts out player control, graphics becoming smoother and more integrated make it harder and harder to pick out units and players. It's almost like becoming an art is exactly wrong for a game, they should be just a craft. The same thing again and again but done better, like a carpenter striving to make the perfect table. Sometimes with 1 leg and simple, sometimes 4 legs and ornately designed, but a table that always challenges 3 things. Memory, reflex and timing. Maybe that's all a video game is and all this story telling nonsense should be left to books...
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