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| Posted: Tue, 24th Aug 2010 00:15 Post subject: |
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4e is more action oriented (which doesn't mean it can't contain a whole lot of roleplaying)
Mind you, I have yet to play a 4e game but I read (most of) the core rulebook.
Yes it is streamlined but less clunky as well. Combat is simpler (which to me is a good thing *remember evenings of playing Shadowrun where some people would have needed to throw about 20 d6 at once*)
for people who are actually interested in 4th edition DnD rules take a look at the DnD Penny Arcade podcast where the creators of Penny Arcade (in later season accompanied by Wil Wheaton) play 4e DnD with one of the creative directors of WotC or there are even youtube videos of the creators of Robot Chicken playing 4e DnD (again with the same guy as a DM).
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Aug 2010 00:24 Post subject: |
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That's what my friend said too, it is more action oriented which mean it would work good for a pc-game. I still have a hard time understand everything in the 3.5 ruleset and to beginners it really can be overwhelming. To make a game with that ruleset must be a nightmare.
Also more action oriented or not, the story and rp-part will be up to the DM or gamemaker. I mean you can have the best rules ever, yet if you do not have a good adventure, what help would the rules be?
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Aug 2010 02:05 Post subject: |
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Can't wait to try this just hope it isn't a reskin over one of their previous games
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Aug 2010 02:16 Post subject: |
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| beets wrote: | | Can't wait to try this just hope it isn't a reskin over one of their previous games |
That's like the worst thing that could happen, they get lazy and just put a DnD-mod on something else they did.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Aug 2010 07:05 Post subject: |
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At least with real D&D, if you have a good DM any rule set can be made fun. Even if 4e is a joke compared to previous editions. Like shadow_D mentioned, D&D was getting so overwhelming and intimidating for anyone who checked it out. So 4e is basically a ruleset to invite new gamers in, since it is so streamlined and more combat focused. I've played a few games and it's not that bad, so I don't really bitch about all the "derping". Any fairly hardcore gamers should check out Burning Wheel anyway.
But even if 4e is more suited to video games, I doubt this will be executed competently.
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W123
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Aug 2010 07:35 Post subject: |
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D&D is friggin overwhelming in real time mode. I wwant another ToEE... except a different D&D module. The worst part of ToEE was.. the Temple of Elemental Evil
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Aug 2010 07:54 Post subject: |
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The whole Cryptic thing is a huuuge letdown. I bought both Champions and Star Trek Online and I didn't even bother to play them through the first 'free month'. Hell I pre-purchased Star Trek Online because I got early-access, so after two days of that I didn't even bother to log in when it was released for real.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Aug 2010 09:39 Post subject: |
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| W123 wrote: | | D&D is friggin overwhelming in real time mode. I wwant another ToEE... except a different D&D module. The worst part of ToEE was.. the Temple of Elemental Evil |
Atari completely fucked themselves on that one. They were so close to duplicating the gold box games. A little less fucking around and not yanking troika's chain and it would have been good. I already enjoyed it immensely and easily would have bought half a dozen more on the same engine. It was a perfect implementation of the combat system.
The art was actually pretty decent.
A little tweaking with each release and they could have pumped out a full game a year and it would have been great. They had so much source material to draw on it. They basically wrote themselves.
I have never loathed a company as much as I loathe Atari. I don't think I can ever forgive them for that shit.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Dec 2010 14:06 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Action-packed RPG gameplay allows for solo and co-op play for up to four players. Gamers use intuitive pick-up-and-play combat combined with a wide assortment of weapons, feats and powers to defeat a wide range of deadly enemies. |
It's an action rpg thats dumbed down and streamlined to the point where all button mashers can participate.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Dec 2010 14:12 Post subject: |
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Whoops it seems you're right and it's co-op primarily or some such from how I understood it.
Isn't D&D 4th gen simpler in general though, not saying this is the result of using it of course, this game with the above is like comparing BG2 to BG2 PS2 I'd assume or close to.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Dec 2010 16:18 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: | | this game with the above is like comparing BG2 to BG2 PS2 I'd assume or close to. |
I thought the same when I read this. Actually, the PS2 games were fun in co-op as long as you didn't expect something that is true to the Baldur's Gate name and does not just capitalize on that.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Dec 2010 17:48 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 09:05 Post subject: |
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I still pissed at atari for using this shit development group. they destroy EVERYTHING that they touch! look at Champions & also look at Startrek game. they did shit job on all games & I want a new NWN but no from Cryptic!!! NWN is ruin now, let Chris Avellone handle it & then it would be full & fun to play. I shit on you Cryptic!
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 10:15 Post subject: |
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| rampart wrote: | I wouldn't even allow Chris Avellone near it. He was the same fucking guy that did Fallout Tactics. Horrible game  |
You shut your mouth before you spout more ignorance.
MCA had nothing to do with Fallout Tactics. He was on Van Buren (True Fallout 3) |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 15:40 Post subject: |
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| rampart wrote: | | I wouldn't even allow Chris Avellone near it. He was the same fucking guy that did Fallout Tactics. Horrible game |
edit: Yeah I was quite bored  |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Jun 2011 00:10 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Jun 2011 00:23 Post subject: |
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The only good DnD, is a DnD with the rules intact. If they can do it, good, if they don't, they can fuck off. I like complexity!
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Jun 2011 00:24 Post subject: |
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Neverwinter Nights and DnD Online had intact rules, if I'm not mistaken.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Jun 2011 00:29 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Neverwinter Nights and DnD Online had intact rules, if I'm not mistaken. |
Well, I get your point, not intact 100%, but very close implementation from PnP.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Jun 2011 01:02 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | the online co-op RPG |
No thanks.. the neverwinter formula was great already...
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| Reklis wrote: | 5 classes? Let's see.
Paladin, Cleric, Thief, Sorcerer, Wizard and Fighter is my guess.
Then again the question that poses itself is which ruleset are they gonna use? 4th edition?
I have no idea what classes/races are available in 4e up to now. |
Im pretty sure the Derp class will make it to the game. 
| Epsilon wrote: | | Meanwhile the people of that generation will call those guys relics, and not move with the times when everything is auto fucking. |
| EyePatchLives wrote: | | Press X to tame beasts. YOU ARE DA BEASTMASTER!!! |
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Jun 2011 04:56 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Do want.
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This.
Even if it turns out to be derepd down, I need a new coop RPG tbh.
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