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xDBS
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| consolitis wrote: | | xDBS wrote: | | q3a and ut both sold over 1 million copies >.> |
And HL has sold more than 8 million copies and HL2 12 million copies what's your point? |
..................... That George speaks out his ass.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011 00:31 Post subject: |
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| 4treyu wrote: | | I think even by its lower standards DNF looks like a lot of fun though, so I will try the SP campaign. |
We can only hope it consists of 3x3 cm corridors, respawning enemies and 500000 cutscenes like all these amazing FPS we're getting now.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011 00:35 Post subject: |
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| xDBS wrote: | | consolitis wrote: | | xDBS wrote: | | q3a and ut both sold over 1 million copies >.> |
And HL has sold more than 8 million copies and HL2 12 million copies what's your point? |
..................... That George speaks out his ass. |
When didn't he 
Seriously, I don't understand why it's important if eventually he was right or not.
The fact is the guy that made D3D considered the keycard model outdated in 1999 because another PC title surpassed it. And I have the impression the whole PC gaming industry felt like that back then.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011 00:36 Post subject: |
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Going from the current trend is "bad" and the reviewers will eat you alive for it which in return will get you fired unless you're an indie dev.
It's just how amazing the industry has become.
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xDBS
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011 00:42 Post subject: |
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| DarkRohirrim wrote: | | Why can't we have shooters from both those styles? |
Same reason why Duke started as a 2D platformer but became a FPS.  The old design was simply a thing of the past from that moment on.
To specify when I say the model is outdated I am talking about keycard hunting, keycards/doors/puzzles are very much welcomed in my book and I dearly miss them in today's Call of Dutys.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011 00:45 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | Considered outdated by a guy who also happened to be MONUMENTALLY incorrect as to how the market trend was going in terms of FPS titles. Yep. |
Alright let's forget about him. Is there any evidence the other game designers weren't considering them outdated by that time? |
Every game OTHER than HL, you mean? That kind of evidence?
See, you appear to have forgotten - or not even realised - that "key cards" still exist in all the non rail-shooter FPS; key codes. Take the vaunted BioShock for example; can't progress in the game until you find that dere keycode, sir boss man, no sir! Even when it's not key cards/codes, it's other miscellaneous items. See that door there? Nope, can't go through it until you've found all four pieces of the Big Daddy suit!!11 Weee! You don't see how that's even remotely similar to hunting for the key cards the newbies apparently hate so much?
Red, Yellow, Blue key cards became 0451, crowbars, Big Daddy suit pieces, et al. So you're going on about "the whole industry agrees that keycards are archaic! I'm right again! Woo! Go me!" -- when in fact you couldn't be more wrong. Same system, different names. All I'm lamenting is the constant bitching from gaming newbies about "down time" while they supposedly "hunt for the cards!" Cue crying. Then you have 3DR/Gearbox whining about "archaic videogame practices" and proclaiming to remove said system... only to instead have you running about waiting for a plot trigger, or hunting down pieces of some random device, before doors open. It's ridiculous, I don't know why they didn't just leave it as it was.
So yeah, Half-Life and Half-Life 2 are pretty much the only examples where "no key cards!! Keep them away!!!! *hisssssss*" worked out. Everyone else just got on with it .. it was an accepted part of FPS gaming. It was sure as hell a lot more enjoyable than the current trend of waist-high walls and cover-shooting mechanics. IMO of course.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011 01:10 Post subject: |
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I clarified I was talking about keycard hunting. I get what you are saying but in newer games I do not feel I am doing keycard hunting probably because the "modern keycards" are not hidden in obscure places. There's a huge difference between looking for something put somewhere you'd sort of expect in the environment and searching for a well hidden keycard with no narrative to back up why you are doing that.
Also HL has puzzles, vents to explore and stuff, you can consider these as "modern keycards" as well in the sense that you can't proceed until you do something specific (other than shooting) in a certain area. I'm also the guy that loved the platforming in the Xen levels of HL1
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2011 09:39 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | I'm also the guy that loved the platforming in the Xen levels of HL1 |
1 and 2 are still amazing. |
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011 13:53 Post subject: |
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Uses SteamWorks therefore no matter if you buy a Steam or a retail copy the Steam client will be installed.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Apr 2011 17:51 Post subject: |
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whatever happened to the "playable before anyone else" DNF demo for the Borderlands GOTY buyers? Haven't heard anything about that since October(ish).
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 04:14 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 04:17 Post subject: |
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That just looks hilariously good fun. Can't wait =)
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 04:21 Post subject: |
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| dodger2020 wrote: | | whatever happened to the "playable before anyone else" DNF demo for the Borderlands GOTY buyers? Haven't heard anything about that since October(ish). |
A couple weeks ago they said there will be demo news "hopefully before May"
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 08:45 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | That just looks hilariously good fun. Can't wait =) |
i am with you on this one, i just like this shooters 
but this one is more challenging than the usual stuff cause you have to focus the fight and ignore the naked girls or els  |
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 10:36 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: | http://www.shacknews.com/article/68199/unedited-duke-nukem-forever-trailer
Uncensored trailer called "Come get some". |
It looks fun. Can't wait.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 11:48 Post subject: |
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can't wait for this game,insta buy on release,as long as it aint like other pc games & stripped down for the sake of paid dlc bullshit or the mouse control feels like emulated gamepad ass.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 11:49 Post subject: |
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Might be remembering wrong, but i think i read some stuff about a upcomming dlc.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 12:39 Post subject: |
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| kenny64 wrote: | | Might be remembering wrong, but i think i read some stuff about a upcomming dlc. |
Yeah, but for the MP only I think.
BTW the trailer is great!!!
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 13:23 Post subject: |
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see this is why you japs really shouldnt be allowed on the internet.
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Frant
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 15:38 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | That just looks hilariously good fun. Can't wait =) |
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Apr 2011 20:26 Post subject: |
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I wonder how the console version will work this time, no doubt it'll leak relatively early on once it's "gold" seeing the hype around the game, unfortunately Steamworks and that integration makes a early PC release impossible however a disc image could still appear but the key/decryption section is still server-side and at best available only hours before the release time anyway.
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chiv
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2011 14:24 Post subject: |
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... and then go watch one of their vomit vids, and see why they really need to get the fuck off...
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