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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Attacking the end-user will never, ever make sense. By hurting customers and users, not corporations, they're only furthering the desire for more stringent security protocols -- security laws will now be passed in DEFENCE of the end-user. |
Corporations: Did you keep track of Sony stocks when this started? Go look it up.
Users: 85% 13 year olds which think that money grows on trees. They swing credit cards which their parents gave them and argue about which skin for Shepards armor has better stats.
And while we here are 'consuming' and 'entertaining' ourselves to death, on the other side of the globe theres 5 million children under 5 months of age dying of diarrhea cause no one wants to spare a dollar for the vaccine.
No, the internet won't have stricter laws because of things like this, it will be opposite. Please, pay more attention to the headlines, and try to track more than a Twitter feed and The Sun.
That's what I think of entertainment, game 'industry' and PSN. Having this much fun in these times should be fucking illegal, amirite?
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 16:02 Post subject: |
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| MirkoOdora wrote: |
Users: 85% 13 year olds which think that money grows on trees. They swing credit cards which their parents gave them and argue about which skin for Shepards armor has better stats. |
Where did you get those numbers from? Or is it just asumptions from You?
Edit: While spending money on those kind of things are wrong - imo its up to each parent if they want to do so and NOT a bunch of hackers.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 16:07 Post subject: |
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I don't care how you rationalise and justify it, hurting the end-user is WRONG. You can paint LulzSec as "heroes" and "martyr's to your cause" all you want, you're defending the bad guys at the end of the day. LulzSec didn't hurt Ubisoft, or Bethesda, or EA .... they hurt the customers when they leaked information that wasn't pertaining to the corporations in question. They hurt the end-user. What gives you the right to make blanket statements about the age and income of those affected? Even if they were 13 year olds, in what retarded universe does it make it RIGHT to hurt them?
No. LulzSec are scum and criminals and each member caught, and make no mistake; they will ALL be caught, is going to prison for a very long time.
As for the whole "there are 5 million children dying" - I say; put up or shut up. I don't see your magnificent contributions to their welfare. You're "consuming" these products just as much as I, or anyone else for that matter. If you want to help these children, then start with yourself. Stop paying for the internet (if indeed you aren't 13 years old swinging on your daddy's credit card) and send the money to Oxfam. Stop buying any kind of non-essential product and send the money to Barnardo's. Stop buying PC components and consoles, send the money to HAST.
Oh.. what's that...? No you say? funny how everyone else should pay to ease your guilty conscience.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 16:25 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | I don't care how you rationalise and justify it, hurting the end-user is WRONG. You can paint LulzSec as "heroes" and "martyr's to your cause" all you want, you're defending the bad guys at the end of the day. LulzSec didn't hurt Ubisoft, or Bethesda, or EA .... they hurt the customers when they leaked information that wasn't pertaining to the corporations in question. They hurt the end-user. What gives you the right to make blanket statements about the age and income of those affected? Even if they were 13 year olds, in what retarded universe does it make it RIGHT to hurt them?
No. LulzSec are scum and criminals and each member caught, and make no mistake; they will ALL be caught, is going to prison for a very long time.
As for the whole "there are 5 million children dying" - I say; put up or shut up. I don't see your magnificent contributions to their welfare. You're "consuming" these products just as much as I, or anyone else for that matter. If you want to help these children, then start with yourself. Stop paying for the internet (if indeed you aren't 13 years old swinging on your daddy's credit card) and send the money to Oxfam. Stop buying any kind of non-essential product and send the money to Barnardo's. Stop buying PC components and consoles, send the money to HAST.
Oh.. what's that...? No you say? funny how everyone else should pay to ease your guilty conscience.
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TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 17:35 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: |
Oh.. what's that...? No you say? funny how everyone else should pay to ease your guilty conscience.
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Exacta mundo!
It's up to each one what they are to spend their money on. Some might not care about the starving kids - but most people have enough problem with their own life, and playing games and such things are a good way to relax and get away from reality.
Everyone has the option to give to charity...where the keyword is OPTION! You can't force people to do things like this. We already pay taxes and such and our countries do help other countries with their problems. Perhaps not in an obvious way, but they do help.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 17:45 Post subject: |
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sabin maybe he didn't mean he wanted everyone send all their income to charities and stuff. You don't have to spend all your income to help them just a little bit, if everyone gave a little it would help.
If companies gave say 30% of the profits they get from DLC crap to charities it would help. It's not like they would waste resources, addin pet to World of Warcraft takes what...15 minutes and they get millions in return.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 17:46 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | | sabin maybe he didn't mean he wanted everyone send all their income to charities and stuff. You don't have to spend all your income to help them just a little bit, if everyone gave a little it would help. |
buahahhahahha I'm sure someone somewhere would take 80% of donated money for themselves before going to the right place |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 17:46 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | | sabin maybe he didn't mean he wanted everyone send all their income to charities and stuff. You don't have to spend all your income to help them just a little bit, if everyone gave a little it would help. |
And if everyone got along, there would be no warring and killing.
We don't live in a perfect world.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 17:52 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | | If companies gave say 30% of the profits they get from DLC crap to charities it would help. It's not like they would waste resources, addin pet to World of Warcraft takes what...15 minutes and they get millions in return. |
This is quite a fail logic, sure it's nice..and blizzard done this on two occasions already one to haiti i think and other to japan and not forget they did for the kid with make a wish foundation
BUT tell why..according to today "standards" if you are rich, you must donate money or else you are labeled scum of society..worse then serial killer or rapist
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 17:57 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: |
If companies gave say 30% of the profits they get from DLC crap to charities it would help. It's not like they would waste resources, addin pet to World of Warcraft takes what...15 minutes and they get millions in return. |
WoW is probably the worst example you could use since they've given 50% of the price to charities on multiple occasions. They've also given 100% to help with the earthquakes and tsunami relief efforts once.
And I find it funny how you think that it's that easy to add a new pet to WoW. It's definitely not a huge undertaking and once it's done it barely cost them anything to sell it so the profit is huge, but you're definitely underestimating the work that goes with it.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:01 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | consolitis obviously EA and Activision spend way too much money on marketing their BF3 and CoD 
Or people are starting to realize many of the games they release are shit and do not buy it anymore - that would be good. |
It's more than EA and Activision, I've listed every big publisher I could think of. And the "why" is irrelevant; If they are sustaining loses (no matter the reason), why would they donate to charities?
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:02 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | I don't care how you rationalise and justify it, hurting the end-user is WRONG. You can paint LulzSec as "heroes" and "martyr's to your cause" all you want, you're defending the bad guys at the end of the day. LulzSec didn't hurt Ubisoft, or Bethesda, or EA .... they hurt the customers when they leaked information that wasn't pertaining to the corporations in question. They hurt the end-user. What gives you the right to make blanket statements about the age and income of those affected? Even if they were 13 year olds, in what retarded universe does it make it RIGHT to hurt them?
No. LulzSec are scum and criminals and each member caught, and make no mistake; they will ALL be caught, is going to prison for a very long time.
As for the whole "there are 5 million children dying" - I say; put up or shut up. I don't see your magnificent contributions to their welfare. You're "consuming" these products just as much as I, or anyone else for that matter. If you want to help these children, then start with yourself. Stop paying for the internet (if indeed you aren't 13 years old swinging on your daddy's credit card) and send the money to Oxfam. Stop buying any kind of non-essential product and send the money to Barnardo's. Stop buying PC components and consoles, send the money to HAST.
Oh.. what's that...? No you say? funny how everyone else should pay to ease your guilty conscience.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:07 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | sabin maybe he didn't mean he wanted everyone send all their income to charities and stuff. You don't have to spend all your income to help them just a little bit, if everyone gave a little it would help.
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He doesn't know what people on this board do with their spare time and money, so what was the point in bringing up the "5 million children dying" nonsense for if not to guilt me - and others - into "seeing the bigger picture"
Did LulzSec send money to over-seas charities? Go bleat to them, they're the "Crusaders for Justice! Righters of Wrongs!" apparently.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:09 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I don't care how you rationalise and justify it, hurting the end-user is WRONG. |
I'm not rationalizing it or justifying it. You asked, I answered. I learned to differentiate right and wrong some time ago and from my own experiences. You can't affect it anymore really, but I'm OK participating in these threads.
| Quote: | | You can paint LulzSec as "heroes" and "martyr's to your cause" all you want, you're defending the bad guys at the end of the day. LulzSec didn't hurt Ubisoft, or Bethesda, or EA .... they hurt the customers when they leaked information that wasn't pertaining to the corporations in question. They hurt the end-user. What gives you the right to make blanket statements about the age and income of those affected? Even if they were 13 year olds, in what retarded universe does it make it RIGHT to hurt them? |
You're right. Poor consumers are hurt. I suggest they go and make themselves feel better by buying a new nVidia card, an iPad or a netbook. When Steve Jobs or Bill Gates find out they're dying of liver cancer or get bored in their old days maybe they start spending all that indescribable amount of money they posses on people whose country's resources they've bled dry.
| Quote: | | No. LulzSec are scum and criminals and each member caught, and make no mistake; they will ALL be caught, is going to prison for a very long time. |
Nope, not really.  Besides, you giving them a bit too much credit.
| Quote: | | As for the whole "there are 5 million children dying" - I say; put up or shut up. I don't see your magnificent contributions to their welfare. You're "consuming" these products just as much as I, or anyone else for that matter. |
How well do you know me, of my lifestyle, or what I do in between my internet sessions? What do you know about my 4 year old rig, a collection or 25 original games or my red cross involvement? I'll take any chance I get to make a difference. Be it the right way, wrong way, or just marginal, it really doesn't matter at this point and in this context. Even a bit more radical people have ethics. It's all give or take really.
| Quote: | If you want to help these children, then start with yourself. Stop paying for the internet (if indeed you aren't 13 years old swinging on your daddy's credit card) and send the money to Oxfam. Stop buying any kind of non-essential product and send the money to Barnardo's. Stop buying PC components and consoles, send the money to HAST.
Oh.. what's that...? No you say? funny how everyone else should pay to ease your guilty conscience. |
Don't be silly, I like my internet. It's the best thing that could have happened to this civilization. Also, I'm already doing the best I can with what I got and I feel great about it. But what are you doing?
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:22 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I'm not going to touch the rest of your post, because you're simply parroting arguments I have already put forward (GG!) However; Are you insane?? You're slating Bill Gates now? do you have ANY idea how much money that man gives to charity? He is one of, if not THE, most outrageous philanthropists ON THE PLANET. The guy gives billions away. |
Yes, these are the facts. There are also facts about how Bill Gates got all that money. I could make some analogies here, instead I'll give up seeing as we're simply not on the same wavelength.
| Quote: | This is a retarded discussion I want no part of. Go back to your hero worship of these criminals (I don't give two shits if you know members personally or not, your friends are dicks and criminals and I hope they rot in prison)
I won't waste another moment of my time here. |
You're taking this way too personally. I hope you're not affiliated with LulzSec in any way.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:22 Post subject: |
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I am a little confused now... so apparently all this hacking was somehow helping the dying children of Africa? And pissing people off makes them more aware of the issue?
I agree there are better things for people to be doing with their money, but I am far from convinced that what was happening was somehow helping the matters, and it's even harder for me to believe that these groups had such noble intentions...
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:24 Post subject: |
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I don't see Steve Jobs on that list.../sigh
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:25 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | I am a little confused now... so apparently all this hacking was somehow helping the dying children of Africa? And pissing people off makes them more aware of the issue?
I agree there are better things for people to be doing with their money, but I am far from convinced that what was happening was somehow helping the matters, and it's even harder for me to believe that these groups had such noble intentions... |
Bu-bu-but they are they sticking it to the Man... it's a noble cause 
Won't somebody please think of the children? 
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:26 Post subject: |
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| MinderMast wrote: | | I am a little confused now... so apparently all this hacking was somehow helping the dying children of Africa? And pissing people off makes them more aware of the issue?. |
Naw..not directly. It's all about money really.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:28 Post subject: |
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And whose money was reportedly stolen by these attacks?
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:33 Post subject: |
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| consolitis wrote: | | And whose money was reportedly stolen by these attacks? |
Money stolen? I'll say it again, broaden your horizons. Give a chance to publications other than The Sun or Fox News.
also
http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:SNE
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:46 Post subject: |
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http://www.google.com/search?q=lulzsec+paypal
I can google too!
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 18:47 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I don't care how you rationalise and justify it, hurting the end-user is WRONG. |
They didn't care about the end user. They stated that. They fired at everyone, including themselves now. The end was obvious, but at least they stayed true to their own manifesto. Thus I don't understand why people are so upset with the them.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 19:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 19:28 Post subject: |
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| accel wrote: | | Thus I don't understand why people are so upset with the them. |
Because it's funny until they take away your vidja-games, and it just shows how narrow minded, two faced, conformist and content some fuckers are. It's sad, pathetic and with grim forecast for the future and you deserve more than your PSN taken away.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Jun 2011 19:30 Post subject: |
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Indeed
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY |
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