Memory problem... maybe a virus?
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 16:26    Post subject: Memory problem... maybe a virus?
I am not sure where to post this... anyway. I was watching movie on media player classic home cinema (some new version if that matters) and paused to check out forum.

Mozilla crashed on start saying that there is not enough operative memory to contiune or something like that. i couldnt do anything. Even open folders in my documents.

After moments of tries I've captured a snapshot of task manager:
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I could only view this image after restart Laughing becouse the system was struggling so much Razz

I have 2x1gb of geil memory all properly set in bios. It worked for last 4 years so maybe its a trojan horse or virus? I have only avast free edition and it shows nothing.

Even if its one time thingy or so... I am wondering what was the reason. No other thing was working in background other than media player home. which I had to turn off to get into task manager becouse there was not enough memory Razz and Task amanager wasnt showing any process eating so much memory.
its win7 32. Maybe I should install x64 anyway


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 16:37    Post subject:
in b4 fhitb ...

why did you post the brand of your memory lol. I mean seriously, you reeeaaaalllly think that matters ? ^^

But to the serious part :

with 2 gb of memory, you dont get any benefits of x64 (that i know of).

But remember, windows 7 uses basicly all your memory for prefetch (or a huge chunk anyway). And 2 gb in our days is really not enough (i'd 6gb is a good value, to be on the safe side, which then would of course imply using x64).

HOWEVER , prefetch used memory would NEVER give an error (or prevent) an application to run. Heck, i cant think of ANY reason that would happen EXCEPT it being virus related (windows would NEVER hook your memory and NOT release it for an other program). Windows WILL and DOES work with basicly whatever memory you have and in need, swap HD<>RAM.

So yeah, i think it is indeed virus related and not OS or hardware (if the memory was in any form damaged, your computer wouldnt stop to crash/bsod, whenever you run applications etc and not tell you about having "not enough operative memory".


Hope that helps Smile
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 16:45    Post subject:
That is exactly what I think. Windows would release memory and newver would stop simple folders from opening.

Any good trojan/virus checker? Maybe avast sucks


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 16:47    Post subject:
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couleur
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 16:51    Post subject:
www.memtest.org

install it on a usb stick, reboot -> check if memory.


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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:08    Post subject:
Thats exactly the same problem I had 1 week ago (on W7 x64)
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=74845

I also used MPC whenever it happened.
Anyway, I was too lazy to do a format and ran the system on XP for a few days. (it was stable)
Then I changed back to Win7 and so far, 3 days in its stable again. The only things I changed was to get a new MPC version, update firefox, update winamp and reduce the virtual memory back to 4gig on one drive. Maybe it was an external exploit for MPC that led to a memory leak? The exact cause remains a mystery to me but Im glad Im not alone anymore Razz
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:12    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
www.memtest.org

install it on a usb stick, reboot -> check if memory.


while this never hurts to do (cheap and easy, so why not), i dont recall having had an error message about memory, if the memory was actually defectuous ^^. It would simply bsod.
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couleur
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:15    Post subject:
Its just the first thing that came to mind... But I dont think its a HW problem either.


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:18    Post subject:
More importantly; why the fuck are you playing Painkiller in 2012? Smile
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:19    Post subject:
Because Painkiller is awesome?
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:24    Post subject:
I just noticed you have 5 hours 10 min uptime in your screenshot.
For me I also happened EXACTLY after 5hrs uptime, TWICE in a row.
There's definitely a connection.
I have 10hrs uptime now, and usage is OK so whatever it was seems to be gone for me.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:28    Post subject:
Its like serious sam, awesome for awhile but you get tired of it fast Sad
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:30    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
More importantly; why the fuck are you playing Painkiller in 2012? Smile


It is black edition. Painkiller + booh.
it is one of my favs. Atmospheric shooter and best stress releaser ever Very Happy
It still looks good.
I've finished it like 20 times. Dunno why. I just like it. have 3 copies of it Laughing


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:34    Post subject:
might be a good stress reliever, but I doubt it beats drinking Smile
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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 17:53    Post subject:
In case anyone is still interested (since this has become game talk now) these are my eventlog messages from the first memory leak:
Guess yours are similar

Code:

* An I/O operation initiated by the Registry failed unrecoverably.The Registry could not flush hive (file): '\??\C:\Users\Me\ntuser.dat'
* The Windows Audio service terminated unexpectedly.  It has done this 4 time(s).
* The Windows Event Log service terminated unexpectedly.  It has done this 2 time(s).  The following corrective action will be taken in 120000 milliseconds: Restart the service.
* The TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper service terminated unexpectedly.  It has done this 3 time(s).
* Driver detected an internal error in its data structures for . (note: SPTD related, Daemon Tools failing)
* The shadow copies of volume H: were aborted during detection.
* The DHCP Client service terminated unexpectedly.  It has done this 3 time(s).
* The Security Center service terminated unexpectedly.  It has done this 2 time(s).  The following corrective action will be taken in 300000 milliseconds: Restart the service.

 - reboot and BSOD and the same thing again 5hrs later
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 19:07    Post subject:
memtest doesnt boot. I've tried couple of ways (including their autoinstaller) and its just blinking there on after I choose usb stick as boot device.

Where can I find that log?
I bet mine is the same. I finally then managed to start mozilla but there was no connection. proboably dynamic ip was not refreshed like in Your case.
Maybe its windows problem? I've installed latest updates last week.

Any good antivir or trojan? or avast is enough

(sorry about gametalk in here. But its damn Painkiller Cool )


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 19:11    Post subject:
Yes, same here, first the sound went away, then internet connection died (because TCP/IP service terminated)
You'll find the messages in Event Viewer under Administrative Events and/or the System log tab.
I used security essentials for virus scanning and it found no threat. I assume its no virus since the problem is gone now. If you want to be sure I suggest you get Kaspersky its the most hardcore.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 19:30    Post subject:
this log is a mess... I am doing something wrong here

"
Warning 2012-02-26 17:43:04 Microsoft-Windows-WLAN-AutoConfig 4001 None "WLAN AutoConfig service has successfully stopped.
"
Warning 2012-02-26 17:02:56 Microsoft-Windows-DNS-Client 1014 None Name resolution for the name su.ff.avast.com timed out after none of the configured DNS servers responded.
Error 2012-02-26 16:28:15 Microsoft-Windows-WMI 10 None "Event filter with query ""SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 WHERE TargetInstance ISA ""Win32_Processor"" AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage > 99"" could not be reactivated in namespace ""//./root/CIMV2"" because of error 0x80041003. Events cannot be delivered through this filter until the problem is corrected."
Error 2012-02-26 16:26:57 Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-EventTracing 2 Session "Session ""Homegroup Log"" failed to start with the following error: 0xC0000035"
Warning 2012-02-26 16:25:44 Microsoft-Windows-WLAN-AutoConfig 4001 None "WLAN AutoConfig service has successfully stopped.
"
Error 2012-02-26 16:25:01 Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-EventTracing 2 Session "Session """" failed to start with the following error: 0xC0000017"
Error 2012-02-26 16:21:22 Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-EventTracing 2 Session "Session """" failed to start with the following error: 0xC0000017"
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 19:41    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 19:58    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 19:59    Post subject:
Seems there was an issue with memory leaks when watching videos with Nvidia's 295.51 drivers. Perhaps that is the source of the problem for you too?
Fixed with newer drivers apparently.

Edit: Also such things are usually posted in the Hardware section Smile
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 20:00    Post subject:
Thats a good idea. I am using those drivers now!
Going to install new foreceware


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 20:07    Post subject:
Yes, I also installed the new nvidia drivers recently. Could be that was it.
But I had those 295.51 beta drivers for over a month and the problems only started a few days ago.
Maybe it was a conflict with one of the windows updates.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 20:11    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:
Seems there was an issue with memory leaks when watching videos with Nvidia's 295.51 drivers. Perhaps that is the source of the problem for you too?
Fixed with newer drivers apparently.

Edit: Also such things are usually posted in the Hardware section Smile


yeah i know but wasnt sure if it is hardware, operating system or app failuer Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 21:32    Post subject:
I'd definitely switch back to something pre-295; even the WHQL ones (.73 I think it is?) are bloody aweful. First thing you may want to try though: completely uninstall PhysX and download/install it manually. That seems to be the culprit in a lot of cases lately; it doesn't get cleaned and only part of it gets updated so it starts running off mismatching versions, causing any random shit to crash.

That said, I damn well hope it's not them drivers, that would require some serious dicking around to cause errors like those Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 21:44    Post subject:
OMG SERIOUS QUESTION IN THE VOID MUST RESIST LAME ATTEMPT TO DERAIL THREAD




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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 21:45    Post subject:
Well it seems that it's pretty much confirmed that those drivers do cause RAM to fill up in certain cases, even if it's not what's happening here.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=222342&st=0

Ati/AMD must have been working on that particular release...
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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 21:53    Post subject:
I'm sure this was the cause for both of us.
Mystery solved.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 21:53    Post subject:
I had nothing but hell with the broken 295 betas, fucked up PhysX and a lot of other games too (oh wait, it's nVidia.. no driver issues ever. I'm just a filthy rotten liar) so I dropped back to 285 WHQL. Now I'm back on 295 WHQL and, so far, it's been good as gold.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Feb 2012 22:00    Post subject:
MinderMast wrote:
Well it seems that it's pretty much confirmed that those drivers do cause RAM to fill up in certain cases, even if it's not what's happening here.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=222342&st=0

Ati/AMD must have been working on that particular release...

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