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| Quote: | | People in the Steam gifting-scene from Russia and USA claim that they have received emails from Valve, urging them to stop gifting to players from Europe. On some accounts, buying games has been completely disabled. |
Screencap the email, redact the personal info, then post to the internet. Until that happens (which might've already, but I can't find one) I don't believe it.
In any event, it is mostly likely to do with the possibility that large-scale gifting looks like re-selling. An easy work-around would be that you're allowed to gift twice the total amount of friends on your friends list, say, every year. (So, you have 100 friends, you're allowed to gift 200 times in a calender year). Given that the gifting system is meant to be used for friends and people who you think would enjoy certain games, it seems a fair way of doing it.
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2012 11:48 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2012 20:54 Post subject: |
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| John Carmack wrote: | | Michael Abrash from Valve and Palmer Luckey from Oculus will be joining me for a VR/AR Panel discussion at #Quakecon next week. |
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Jul 2012 09:01 Post subject: |
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| Pixieking wrote: | | http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-07-25-windows-8-is-kind-of-a-catastrophe-for-everybody-in-the-pc-space-says-gabe-newell |
I agree.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Jul 2012 18:38 Post subject: |
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You guys should turn this forum into a news site. News flow in faster than from a bot.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Jul 2012 18:57 Post subject: |
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Gabe Newell...Gabe Newell.... Wait - isn't this the guy who explained to us how the PS3 was a complete failure, would not sell at all and die soon after release, only to make it the lead platform for Portal 2 a few years later and become best-friends-forever with Sony and PSN?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Jul 2012 19:02 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | | Gabe Newell...Gabe Newell.... Wait - isn't this the guy who explained to us how the PS3 was a complete failure, would not sell at all and die soon after release, only to make it the lead platform for Portal 2 a few years later and become best-friends-forever with Sony and PSN? |
lol.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2012 11:49 Post subject: |
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Arx Fatalis. It still waits for my proper playthrough !
Fantastic game
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 02:33 Post subject: |
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Updated Steam Subscriber Agreement
| Quote: | If you live in the EU, your SSA will be with our Luxembourg subsidiary Valve S.a.r.l. and the SSA has been amended to reflect additional terms specific to our EU customers. We've added other terms related to the Steam Wallet and Steam trading to accommodate new features and capabilities of Steam.
We’re also introducing a new dispute resolution process that will benefit you and Valve. Recently, a number of companies have created similar provisions which have generated lots of discussion from customers and communities, and we’ve been following these discussions closely. On Steam, whenever a customer is unhappy with any transaction, our first goal is to resolve things as quickly as possible through the normal customer support process. However in those instances in which we can't resolve a dispute, we've outlined a new required process whereby we agree to use arbitration or small claims court to resolve the dispute. In the arbitration process, Valve will reimburse your costs of the arbitration for claims under a certain amount. Reimbursement by Valve is provided regardless of the arbitrator’s decision, provided that the arbitrator does not determine the claim to be frivolous or the costs unreasonable.
Most significant to the new dispute resolution terms is that customers may now only bring individual claims, not class action claims. We considered this change very carefully. It’s clear to us that in some situations, class actions have real benefits to customers. In far too many cases however, class actions don’t provide any real benefit to users and instead impose unnecessary expense and delay, and are often designed to benefit the class action lawyers who craft and litigate these claims. Class actions like these do not benefit us or our communities. We think this new dispute resolution process is faster and better for you and Valve while avoiding unnecessary costs, and that it will therefore benefit the community as a whole.
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http://store.steampowered.com/news/8523/?snr=1_550_552&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 07:47 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Most significant to the new dispute resolution terms is that customers may now only bring individual claims, not class action claims. We considered this change very carefully. It’s clear to us that in some situations, class actions have real benefits to customers. In far too many cases however, class actions don’t provide any real benefit to users and instead impose unnecessary expense and delay, and are often designed to benefit the class action lawyers who craft and litigate these claims. Class actions like these do not benefit us or our communities. We think this new dispute resolution process is faster and better for you and Valve while avoiding unnecessary costs, and that it will therefore benefit the community as a whole.
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Welcome to the dark side, Valve, cutting consumer rights in your favor. I wonder whether this will hold up, justlike similarpassages in the TOS of EA, and, I think, Microsoft.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 07:54 Post subject: |
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| Neon wrote: | Updated Steam Subscriber Agreement
| Quote: | If you live in the EU, your SSA will be with our Luxembourg subsidiary Valve S.a.r.l. and the SSA has been amended to reflect additional terms specific to our EU customers. We've added other terms related to the Steam Wallet and Steam trading to accommodate new features and capabilities of Steam.
We’re also introducing a new dispute resolution process that will benefit you and Valve. Recently, a number of companies have created similar provisions which have generated lots of discussion from customers and communities, and we’ve been following these discussions closely. On Steam, whenever a customer is unhappy with any transaction, our first goal is to resolve things as quickly as possible through the normal customer support process. However in those instances in which we can't resolve a dispute, we've outlined a new required process whereby we agree to use arbitration or small claims court to resolve the dispute. In the arbitration process, Valve will reimburse your costs of the arbitration for claims under a certain amount. Reimbursement by Valve is provided regardless of the arbitrator’s decision, provided that the arbitrator does not determine the claim to be frivolous or the costs unreasonable.
Most significant to the new dispute resolution terms is that customers may now only bring individual claims, not class action claims. We considered this change very carefully. It’s clear to us that in some situations, class actions have real benefits to customers. In far too many cases however, class actions don’t provide any real benefit to users and instead impose unnecessary expense and delay, and are often designed to benefit the class action lawyers who craft and litigate these claims. Class actions like these do not benefit us or our communities. We think this new dispute resolution process is faster and better for you and Valve while avoiding unnecessary costs, and that it will therefore benefit the community as a whole.
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http://store.steampowered.com/news/8523/?snr=1_550_552&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter |
We're in europe so they can change whatever the f*ck they want.
It wont uphold in court though 
| Quote: | | Most significant to the new dispute resolution terms is that customers may now only bring individual claims, not class action claims |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 09:53 Post subject: |
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-steam-evolution-and-the-windows-8-catastrophe
Unless I'm mis-reading/missing something, the writer is under the impression that Valve have only recently started work on Linux Steam, and that decision is due to Win8. Which is rubbish, since Valve have been looking at/slowly working on Linux Steam for at least a couple of years now.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 10:14 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Most significant to the new dispute resolution terms is that customers may now only bring individual claims, not class action claims |
Someone explain this part to a layman please.
1 and 2 are still amazing. |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 10:24 Post subject: |
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Certain things which affect large numbers of people are occasionally brought as class action suits, which means that all the claimants are pooled into one group, and are represented by one legal company. Think Erin Brockovich, or claims against big tobacco. The new SSA means this is impossible, and that people can only bring legal action against Valve individually.
Might be big (bad) news in the future, but to me, it's offset by the new arbitration process (they'll pay all legal fees as long as they're not massive amounts of money) and a willingness to go to small-claims court (which here in the UK is by far an easier process than class action).
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 10:39 Post subject: |
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| Pixieking wrote: | | Certain things which affect large numbers of people are occasionally brought as class action suits, which means that all the claimants are pooled into one group, and are represented by one legal company. Think Erin Brockovich, or claims against big tobacco. The new SSA means this is impossible, and that people can only bring legal action against Valve individually. |
Well, I'm not an expert, but this is not for Valve to decide how they like the handle the legal problems, right?
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 10:46 Post subject: |
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Presumably they are trying to force you to agree to it by including it in the TOS.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 10:51 Post subject: |
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Mmmm...
It's a bit... Weird. I believe that you need a judge or legal authority to give the go-ahead to pool everyone into a class-action suit. So, no, it's not really Valve's place to say you can't do this, but by making it part of the SSA, they have something to take to the judge to say that a class-action suit can't be brought.
Like I say, weird.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 10:52 Post subject: |
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click disagree and sue them! 
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 11:23 Post subject: |
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| DCB wrote: | | Presumably they are trying to force you to agree to it by including it in the TOS. |
Well, yes, but TOS < laws and regulations.
We just have to wait and see, I guess.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 15:33 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the explanation pixieking 
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2012 15:42 Post subject: I have left. |
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