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| arik22 wrote: |
But both PS4/XBOX will shatter todays current PC that's for sure. |
What?
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dr-nix
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd May 2013 07:21 Post subject: |
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difm: asuming you have the pc he has, an amazing powerhouse. P4 CPU with 1gb of ram and a GeForce 3 Ti500
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd May 2013 13:05 Post subject: |
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| dr-nix wrote: | | difm: asuming you have the pc he has, an amazing powerhouse. P4 CPU with 1gb of ram and a GeForce 3 Ti500 |
My pc
i5 3570k 5.5Ghz
2x7970
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segobi
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd May 2013 13:13 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd May 2013 13:58 Post subject: |
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| segobi wrote: | | Hfric wrote: | | Breezer_ wrote: |
Well 8-core desktop AMD processor is comparable to Intel 2500K if program is heavily threaded. Intel is pretty much half more faster clock vs clock, and that 8-core which is on PS4/Xbox it is much more weaker than the desktop 8-core. Make the calculations there  |
I know the PS3 has 8 cores that run at 3.2Ghz but one core is used for the OS .. so you get 7 cores
this system HAS 3 OS that RUN AT THE SAME TIME ... ALWAYS and one is dedicated from the get GO to the new kinect making it a 5-6 core machine
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If only the number of cores would define the performance your ideas would be correct - but they are not. |
your right the Cpu does nothing when a developer can't code,
xbox360 has 3 cores, if you play kinect games it only has 2 and yet those game look more stunning then on PS3 a 8 core machine [more like 7 core , 1 core is for OS]
but both of those systems are a different beast
one uses Cpu for graphics and graphics card as a TV scaler/tuner out put [PS3]
the other uses similar architecture that PC uses [xbox360]
but why some games look so horrid ,
ram and multi ports
but now its not about what will look better on PS4 or XBOX ONE , they now both have the same architecture ... one has slower rams but still if some how MS will fuck up the devs to make better versions of the same game on they platform i will |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd May 2013 14:15 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | your right the Cpu does nothing when a developer can't code,
xbox360 has 3 cores, if you play kinect games it only has 2 and yet those game look more stunning then on PS3 a 8 core machine [more like 7 core , 1 core is for OS]
but both of those systems are a different beast
one uses Cpu for graphics and graphics card as a TV scaler/tuner out put [PS3]
the other uses similar architecture that PC uses [xbox360] |
Just shut up if you don't know what you're talking about. You are utterly clueless and it's getting embarrassing for you.
The number of cores is not comparable even between the 360 and the PS3. They're both PPC, but they're based off different architectures and are both custom chips. The same applies here, even just 2-3 of these cores at 1.6 GHz will match the CPUs in the PS360 just fine. A dual-core Presler CPU (which is an "Extreme Edition" CPU and has hyperthreading, so 4 virtual cores) at 3.46 GHz gets beaten by a Core 2 Duo (no Hyperthreading) at 2.0 GHz. Both Intel, both x86, but both different architectures. Architecture is what determines the speed of a CPU first and foremost.
The example above is also a true story, because I have a Pentium EE 955 in a PC. I also have an E2100. The latter not just keeps up with the former, but even *beats it* in some things. Even in properly threaded tasks. And it does so with less power consumption.
Also, the reason multi-platform games tend to look and run worse on the PS3 is because Cell is much harder to program for. When used properly however, it is more powerful than Xenon. |
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd May 2013 17:15 Post subject: |
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Werelds to the rescue
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd May 2013 21:03 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd May 2013 21:39 Post subject: |
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| AndreaSpooky wrote: | | Breezer_ wrote: | http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ea-reckons-xbox-one-and-ps4-are-a-generation-ahead-of-pc-1153821
| Quote: | | According to EA's executive vice president and chief technology officer Rajat Teneja, speaking on Linkedin, the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are "a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market". |
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Yeah... mark rein
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd May 2013 21:42 Post subject: |
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so that's a given... this fall all EA games will be ports from 360 and not ps4/xb1, except BF4 i guess
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd May 2013 23:25 Post subject: |
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There's nothing to do, every day is lolz day with EA. They have to justify their terrible decisions after all, with the PC being treated as 3rd world citizen again just because they're lazy, greedy and sad individuals.
Looks like Fargo replied, too: https://twitter.com/BrianFargo/status/337629111151366144 
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd May 2013 23:31 Post subject: |
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| tonizito wrote: | | AndreaSpooky wrote: | | Breezer_ wrote: | http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ea-reckons-xbox-one-and-ps4-are-a-generation-ahead-of-pc-1153821
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Yeah... mark rein |
Exactly.
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"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 10:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:01 Post subject: |
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Guys, I think they are right. Because for them - "high end" PC is the highest computer sold in Wallmart or Target for 1000$.. 
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:05 Post subject: |
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And you know why no one has these high-end cards? Because the are not needed. You know why? Because of the console ports of from an 8 year old hardware.
I'm still sporting a 460 over here and all games run perfectly fine. Why would I need an upgrade?
I guarantee the statistics will change after November or whenever the new consoles come out and people will actually be needing new hardware.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:09 Post subject: |
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You are right, but once xbox one and ps4 games will drop on pc, They will be VERY demanding.
Looks how demanding are some of those 8yo ports mad with 512mb of ram. Now imagine games made with 8gb of ram and 7850 in mind
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:09 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | now ask Yourself a question. Would You rather make You harware demanding game exclusive to xbox one and save money on developement for pc ? Only ~12% of people on pc would buy it and be able to play it |
Where the fuck are you pulling your 12% from?
Ignoring the fact that Steam's HW survey is hardly an indicator (no 7970 in Dec/Jan?  ) even the number of GPUs that are more than capable DX11 GPUs (meaning they can drive anywhere from 720p to 1080p w/ FXAA - or better) is more along the lines of 30-35%. I'm too damn lazy to actually go through the list, but your 12% is the typical bullshit always thrown.
Most of the people with "lesser" and older video cards are just like console gamers, they're fine with turning details down. |
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:10 Post subject: |
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Sure, but still - not many people have high end pc's.
I don't know anyone who have better pc than me... and my 7870 isnt even mind blowing either.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:27 Post subject: |
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If proper ports are released from PS4/Xbox which require better GPUs, people will just upgrade --> problem solved. The stats don't mean much since like Neon said, you don't really need a good card except for one/two games a year.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:38 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | Sure, but still - not many people have high end pc's.
I don't know anyone who have better pc than me... and my 7870 isnt even mind blowing either. |
Please, go back and read what I wrote. PCs weaker than yours can still run games at lower resolutions with lower resolutions, which is what a LOT of people do. And even then you'd be surprised at how little hardware you need to run at console-level settings. A GTX 580, now two years old, runs BF3 at 1080p w/ FXAA on high at 70-80 FPS or so. Now, drop to 720p (or more likely, 1440x900) and see that shoot up like crazy.
BF3 can be played at 720p30 on something along the lines of a GTS 250 or GTX260 just fine when you turn the details down a bit, which is exactly what a LOT of people do (despite what console gamers think, not every PC gamer wants top settings). That's right, I said GTS 250. That's G92, a 2008 chip - that's the 8800 GT. In fact, those cards are capable of driving the game at 1080p when you turn details down to low. 720p/medium does about 40 FPS or so. And that looks better than the fucking console version. |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:40 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | Where the fuck are you pulling your 12% from?
Ignoring the fact that Steam's HW survey is hardly an indicator (no 7970 in Dec/Jan? ) even the number of GPUs that are more than capable DX11 GPUs (meaning they can drive anywhere from 720p to 1080p w/ FXAA - or better) is more along the lines of 30-35%. I'm too damn lazy to actually go through the list, but your 12% is the typical bullshit always thrown.
Most of the people with "lesser" and older video cards are just like console gamers, they're fine with turning details down. |
Don't You know science? 
| KillerCrocker wrote: | 1.8% of user uses radeon 7850
1.06% uses radeon 7870
7950 -1.02%
7970 - 0.096 %
Nvidia:
gtx660 - 1.98%
gtx660 ti - 1.76%
gtx670 - 2.28%
gtx680 - 1.66% |
~12%
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:43 Post subject: |
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I also like how graphic cards from the last generation never existed, apparently
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 24th May 2013 11:43 Post subject: |
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Yes, because Steam's hardware stats are entirely accurate. Again, no listing for 7970 in December and January?
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