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Thing is, he's used the right word, in the wrong way.
Someone pays for a product.
It gets sent out early, through no fault or action of the customer's.
Since there was no wrong-doing on the part of the customer, and since they've paid for the product, they're entitled to use it.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 13:45 Post subject: |
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Aye, THAT I absolutely agree with.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 13:57 Post subject: |
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| Pixieking wrote: | Thing is, he's used the right word, in the wrong way.
Someone pays for a product.
It gets sent out early, through no fault or action of the customer's.
Since there was no wrong-doing on the part of the customer, and since they've paid for the product, they're entitled to use it. |
I wasn't calling the poor sap whose console banned 'entitled' But infact the people who are making it such a huge issue... like it even affects their lives so much that they need to abuse/slander the shit out of a company which hasn't even screwed them directly.
That's why I hate neogaf with a passion, they seem to act all high handed in situations like this as if they were directly inconvenienced by Microsoft.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 14:01 Post subject: |
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It *is* a huge issue, how can you not grasp that? It's a *massive* issue for a company to wield such power that they can ban your incredibly expensive system for doing NOTHING WRONG. It's a *massive* issue and people *need* to kick up a fuss about it, Microsoft shouldn't be "entitled" (chortle) to get away with practices like that. If Sony does the same thing to any early-acquirers for the PS4, then the same shitstorm will apply to them too.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 14:04 Post subject: |
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| zibz wrote: | | zmed wrote: | Didn't know costumers sign NDA agreements when they buy a console.  |
I'm sure it's in the T&C's, Lets wait for some retailer to break the PS4 street date to see how that goes.
What happens when you legit buy a game before the street date and go online? same result.
Its just a temporary ban. |
Oh?
I've never seen a "If a retailer breaks street date prematurely we may just ban you for his fuckup" clause in T&C's. What Microsoft should have done is deny him access because the system is not meant to be functional yet. Not ban him. He was not at fault, the retailer was.
What happens when you get a PC game before street date? It just won't activate. That's it. They won't block future activations or ban you from their shit. |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 14:04 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | It *is* a huge issue, how can you not grasp that? It's a *massive* issue for a company to wield such power that they can ban your incredibly expensive system for doing NOTHING WRONG. It's a *massive* issue and people need to kick up a fuss about it. |
Lol no its not. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
He clearly wasn't authorized to release pics/media/info etc about the console before the street date, get it through your thick head, you own the console but you don't own their service if you break the ToS they have all the power to ban you.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 14:18 Post subject: |
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Yes, let's all praise Microsoft for banning customers that have done no wrong. All hail Microsoft, hail! Hail! Hail!
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 14:27 Post subject: |
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Was it that hard for microsoft to add some simple time check to deny the guy access to the SO/dashboard/whatever?
Banning him instead is an incredibly moronic move. The ban can (and will) probably be reverted if the guy is still interested in the derpsole.
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 14:32 Post subject: |
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The original xbox and how they handled that was a clear enough sign for me to stay away from their console division. And apart from exclusives I never understood people being positive about MS with their 360.
If history taught us one thing is that they seem to have a knack to always bet on the wrong horse. Maybe someday that will change but clearly not with this generation.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 16:20 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 16:36 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | most likely classified |
See, it's still conjecture. "Most likely" classified. Pffft. In any event, unless there was some NDA/EULA that specifically forbade what the guy did, then I can't see how it's legally enforceable.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 16:38 Post subject: |
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IMO the store should be blamed and should refund, they send it out too early, they are the ones to blame.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 16:56 Post subject: |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 17:06 Post subject: |
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Now I'm guessing that *someone* will be able to get one early and prove that... 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 18:15 Post subject: |
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If it's gone to retail, then it's the final manufactured product. And it would had to have gone to retail to be sent out by Target. If this were a promo-box or dev-kit then I'd agree with you. But there is absolutely no way in hell that Target will have been sent something that isn't Final.
Now, you could argue that the firmware updates aren't final, and that by updating the machine he entered into an unauthorised Beta. But that's a stretch, since it's MS's code and update system, and if they weren't sure of the firmware at this point then they wouldn't have uploaded for others to download.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 18:27 Post subject: |
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| Pixieking wrote: | If it's gone to retail, then it's the final manufactured product. And it would had to have gone to retail to be sent out by Target. If this were a promo-box or dev-kit then I'd agree with you. But there is absolutely no way in hell that Target will have been sent something that isn't Final.
Now, you could argue that the firmware updates aren't final, and that by updating the machine he entered into an unauthorised Beta. But that's a stretch, since it's MS's code and update system, and if they weren't sure of the firmware at this point then they wouldn't have uploaded for others to download. |
Have you read the article, or even the entire sentence? The guy was following the story, he knows it's a shipped product, sent to a customer early by Target, AND he's still calling that shit "most likely classified as a beta". So what you call "final manufactured product", that this guy and a bunch of other ppl are getting with their pre-orders, are just beta versions to Microsoft, the freaking company that MADE it.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 18:33 Post subject: |
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| murgo wrote: | https://twitter.com/yosp/status/399130194956414977
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This gif is simply fucking amazing. |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 19:50 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Nov 2013 21:48 Post subject: |
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I want them to fail so bad. Not because I give a shit about ps4 or anything, it's just that ms artificially prevents these games from coming to pc. Pc has been treated like a step child for a long time, and I don't think MS will do anything about it. They just said they'll bring more games to pc just for good pr which they sorely need nowdays.
And I'm not a online console gamer, but I don't think you get banned for playing a street broken game?
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