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Interinactive
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 06:27    Post subject: PC Gamer
http://www.pcgamer.com/gallery/the-best-rpgs-of-all-time/

Let's take a look at that title right there

The best RPGs of all time

Did 'all time' include 2010 when they gave Dragon Age 2 a score of 94%? How can it be absent on this list then? Scratch Head

I mean, if you end a review with:

Quote:
The best RPG combat ever. Not gaming’s best story, but maybe its best storytelling. Darker, sexier, better.


...then surely it deserves a place on that list? How does The Witcher 2 with a score of 89% get a place but not Dragon Age 2?

Quote:
We value fun more than the historical significance of a game, and doing so helps us build a list that recommends what’s great today rather than publishing a popularity contest.


Wouldn't this be more of a reason to include a game you rated highly when not many of your users agreed?

PC lol wut er


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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 06:36    Post subject:
Oh wow, shitty videogame magazine (srs bsns) wrote shitty article.

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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 06:59    Post subject:
Not too bad of a list. I was at least glad to see New Vegas and not Fallout 3.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 07:00    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 07:05    Post subject:
Yeah I remember all the backlash when they scored Witcher 2 lower than DA2. Maybe PC Gamer considers that a part of their past they'd like to forget.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 07:12    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
Well a list like this of any type is stupid really, it's like having one subjective opinion that they know people will rage about to promote their article

But I'm not really commenting on that, I'm just curious as to how such a great game (from their official review) didn't make it on such a list.


You should write to them asking about that. Laughing
And if they answer post it back to us. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 07:16    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 07:41    Post subject:
They put Diablo 3 instead of Diablo or Diablo 2

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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 11:34    Post subject:
Ha I saw it yesterday and wanted to rant on the forum, but then the feeling of how worthless PCgamer is stopped me from making a thread.

I didn't even care about the order since: 'PCgamer' but some of the games in there and some that haven't even made the list. Reaction


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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 12:44    Post subject:
PC Gamer are up their own arses!

MORPH you wouldn't be able to rant on the forum as they would probably ban you as they have been threatening many other users that disagree with something.

PC Gamer are shite and most likely payed ££££££ for 90% reviews
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 12:59    Post subject:
Ha.. no Morrowind, but dark souls makes an appearance in a PC RPG list.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 13:26    Post subject:
A-A wrote:
MORPH you wouldn't be able to rant on the forum as they would probably ban you as they have been threatening many other users that disagree with something.


Hehe nah, I meant this forum. I stay away from other forums


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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 13:49    Post subject:
Axeleration wrote:
Ha.. no Morrowind, but dark souls makes an appearance in a PC RPG list.


Yea, bad port of a console game is one of the best rpg games on the pc. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 13:55    Post subject:
It's one of the best (RPG) games ever and it's on PC. Don't see the problem
So what if it had some technical issues..it's not the only one.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 14:32    Post subject:
Mass Effect 2 over Mass Effect plus no Morrowind? To be expected of something targeted toward the fuckwit community.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 14:36    Post subject:
Am I alone in not considering dark souls to be an rpg?

I don't know any other rpg's you can beat without leveling up.

That alone disqualifies it imo.


Edit:
Lol didn't see they mention that lol wut


Lots of good games on that list, but as always, can't please everyone.
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st Jul 2014 14:44    Post subject:
Drowning_witch wrote:
Am I alone in not considering dark souls to be an rpg?

I don't know any other rpg's you can beat without leveling up.

That alone disqualifies it imo.


Well, there are a lot of RPGs that you can beat without leveling up. Morrowind and Oblivion are two really big ones.

That aside though I still don't consider Dark Souls to really be an RPG. It's basically just an action game like Demon's Souls was.
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Aug 2014 07:00    Post subject:
Yuuichi wrote:
Drowning_witch wrote:
Am I alone in not considering dark souls to be an rpg?

I don't know any other rpg's you can beat without leveling up.

That alone disqualifies it imo.


Well, there are a lot of RPGs that you can beat without leveling up. Morrowind and Oblivion are two really big ones.

That aside though I still don't consider Dark Souls to really be an RPG. It's basically just an action game like Demon's Souls was.


Mind Is Full Of Fuck

Levelling up doesn't make it an rpg... it's funny that PC gamer a very very very long time ago once ran a column that properly explained what an RPG actually was and now we've got this shit being called an RPG.

A roleplaying game is a game in which you play a role, a role that has an actual meaning and in which the role you play has a meaningful and lasting effect on the world in which you are playing.

This basically means that anything that isn't even a sandbox game is out in terms of being an actual RPG.

There are lots of things they like to call "RPG", levelling up, combat rolls, stats, etc. but these are mechanics and not the actual roleplaying.

A sandbox game where things have multiple solutions that allow you to create different scenarios that are persistent in the world, that's a roleplaying game.

Diablo? and it's 10000 clones. Not even fucking close. Some linear first person sword shooter. Again, no.


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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Aug 2014 07:12    Post subject:
Fallout 1-2 is an RPG. Planescape is an RPG.
Everything else is a bleak attempt at the subj. Prove me wrong.
/discussion.
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Aug 2014 07:36    Post subject:
They just had to wait few days and select N1 the gem - the game - Sacred 3.


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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Aug 2014 10:02    Post subject:
Kein wrote:
Fallout 1-2 is an RPG. Planescape is an RPG.
Everything else is a bleak attempt at the subj. Prove me wrong.
/discussion.


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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Aug 2014 10:44    Post subject:
No Failble? Scratch Head
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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Aug 2014 11:17    Post subject:
crossmr wrote:


Levelling up doesn't make it an rpg... it's funny that PC gamer a very very very long time ago once ran a column that properly explained what an RPG actually was and now we've got this shit being called an RPG.

A roleplaying game is a game in which you play a role, a role that has an actual meaning and in which the role you play has a meaningful and lasting effect on the world in which you are playing.

This basically means that anything that isn't even a sandbox game is out in terms of being an actual RPG.

There are lots of things they like to call "RPG", levelling up, combat rolls, stats, etc. but these are mechanics and not the actual roleplaying.

A sandbox game where things have multiple solutions that allow you to create different scenarios that are persistent in the world, that's a roleplaying game.

Diablo? and it's 10000 clones. Not even fucking close. Some linear first person sword shooter. Again, no.


To me an rpg is a game where stats and skill are intertwined, and always dependent on each other. You should never be able to win with skill alone because then its you, not the character you are playing.

But yeah, this is one genre that is tough to define.
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