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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 13:30    Post subject:
shole wrote:
i literally cannot see any difference due to youtube compressing the fuck out of it
they should have uploaded it at 1440p so there might at least be some chance of occasional quality


I think they intend for the visuals to be very similar but I can spot a few changes with the most noticeable being the water about halfway through the video, there's also slight improvements to material lighting due to UE4 using PBR which can be seen here and there throughout the video but it is pretty minor. (The metallic roof on a building reflecting sunlight for example.) oh and since it's UE4 streaming should have improved so there should be less pop-in of objects and textures as they go from low quality to full quality. Smile
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Kein
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 13:55    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
It doesn't run at 30.

Part of the video quoted by bringiton that is related to PS4 (right) clearly shows it is less than 60 FPS, compare to smooth-silk video part on the left.

But I guess it just 60FPS so fast for your eye you can't see the difference :P
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 14:15    Post subject:
Kein wrote:
consolitis wrote:
It doesn't run at 30.

Part of the video quoted by bringiton that is related to PS4 (right) clearly shows it is less than 60 FPS, compare to smooth-silk video part on the left.

But I guess it just 60FPS so fast for your eye you can't see the difference Razz


Dafaq. I just posted that the framerate is variable it runs anywhere between 30 and 60 and you somehow understood that as a claim that it runs at 60 and you are like no, no, see, it's less than 60! Where did I say otherwise?

consolitis wrote:
It doesn't run at 30. It runs at 30-60 with a patch coming to introduce an optional 30 fps lock.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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Kein
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 14:38    Post subject:
So, does it tun on 30 or does it run on 60, kek?

And what it has to do with PC in this section by the way? Article I linked was the original source about UE4 changes, which eventually will come to PC.
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 15:19    Post subject:
Kein wrote:
So, does it tun on 30 or does it run on 60, kek?


Mind Is Full Of Fuck

Not just 30. Not just 60. Anywhere between (and including) 30 and 60: yes. 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 ... 56, 57, 58, 59, 60.


Kein wrote:
And what it has to do with PC in this section by the way? Article I linked was the original source about UE4 changes, which eventually will come to PC.



Mind Is Full Of Fuck

We are not commenting on that article. We are commenting on sabin's PC vs PS4 video.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 15:24    Post subject:
I'd have been much happier if it was simply "UE3 vs UE4" but I guess we'll have to wait for the UE4 PC build for that Very Happy
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Kein
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 16:52    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:

Not just 30. Not just 60. Anywhere between (and including) 30 and 60: yes. 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 ... 56, 57, 58, 59, 60.

Mind Is Full Of Fuck Mind Is Full Of Fuck
But you just said it yourself patch for 30fps lock is coming, how can it run strictly from 30-60? It has to dip down below 30 as well for now.

it's called "variable framerate" and no need to invent bicycle.
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 17:15    Post subject:
Mind Is Full Of Fuck I have no idea WTF are you talking about. I'm out.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 17:35    Post subject:
@consolitis
Why did you even bother to discuss with that retard?


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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Jul 2015 19:32    Post subject:
Mind Is Full Of Fuck Looks like that single neuron got overloaded.
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Jul 2015 21:41    Post subject:
Congrats to the devs, PS4 port made (2 * budget) profit in just a week. And original PC version made its money back day 1 (thanks to preorders).

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172616797&postcount=1


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 20:22    Post subject:
The.Vanishing.of.Ethan.Carter.Redux-RELOADED


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 20:27    Post subject:
Yup, UE4 build "The Vanishing of Ethan Carter: Redux" is now live on Steam and available to everyone that owns the original Smile Good guy devs are good!

~edit~

Funnily enough, it's half the install size Very Happy


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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 20:27    Post subject:
http://www.theastronauts.com/2015/09/the-vanishing-of-ethan-carter-redux-out-now/

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2. Invisible or barely visible streaming of new areas. You can run from one corner of Red Creek Valley to another nearly without a hitch. In the UE3 version, the streaming could freeze the game for a second or so, depending on the PC.

However, this comes at a cost. UE3 version is quite low-end PC friendly, and does not have demanding hardware requirements. UE4 version requires a 64-bit Windows and minimum 6 GB of RAM. If that’s not what your system has, we recommend playing the UE3 version. Again, story is exactly the same in both versions.


edit SSAA built in:

Quote:
The Vanishing of Ethan Carter Redux features something called Resolution Scale.


Other AA options:

Quote:
FXAA: fast, “good enough” quality

T+FXAA: simple temporal AA + FXAA, good compromise between quality and speed

SMAA 1x: better quality than FXAA, but slower

SMAA T2x: SMAA with quality boost from temporal sampling

TAA: UE4’s temporal AA, least aliasing, but slight loss of detail unless Resolution Scale set to 200%


DX12 support coming in the future:

Quote:
The current version of UE4 has an experimental support for DX12, and it really is experimental and thus too risky for a public release for us. As soon as there’s the final release, we will add this feature to the game.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 20:31    Post subject:
I'm thinking we need a new Steam curator; "Good Guy Devs", something to list all the games that have received substantial updates and DLC for free. It'd be a short list but a distinctive one.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 20:33    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
I'm thinking we need a new Steam curator; "Good Guy Devs", something to list all the games that have received substantial updates and DLC for free. It'd be a short list but a distinctive one.


Also a BP rating/curator. "Bad Port".


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Kein
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 21:07    Post subject:
>UE4

Oh, look, another Kholat, lesse....


Yep, absolutely shit performance (40-44FPS on 1080p) with little to none advantage in IQ. Old version is still superior.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 22:28    Post subject:
Kein wrote:
>UE4

Oh, look, another Kholat, lesse....


Yep, absolutely shit performance (40-44FPS on 1080p) with little to none advantage in IQ. Old version is still superior.
Dem potato rigs Cool Face


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 22:34    Post subject:
Are you retarded or pretending to?

I already mentioned in this thread that original Carter ran smooth 60@1080p*max settings on my 670.

The UE4 one is barely scrapping 40 FPS because, well duh, it's UE4 crap and it runs like shit on 6xx-7xx series, it is a wide-known fact. KHOLAT devs "promised" to "colled dxdiag data" and "wotk with UE developer" to "fix it" but in the end it turned out to be just bunch of bullshit
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 22:43    Post subject:
Whoa! Careful not to cut yourself there, edgelord Laughing


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 23:26    Post subject:
Screenshots.

 Spoiler:
 


As it's intended by the developers that it looks almost the same as the UE3 version there's not a huge visual boost but it now allows for using various post-process AA modes and downsampling/ssaa, DX12 too in later builds once UE4 matures a bit and implements it in final form instead of the current experimental 4.9 builds.
(Be careful when setting the graphics preset to ultra as that automatically applies a 200% resolution scale and thus renders at the double of your chosen resolution which obviously will affect framerate which might cause you to wonder why it runs worse than expected if you miss that detail, looks fantastic for screenshots though.)

Also as the article mentioned they included a alternate game exe that allows for using the debug console though it has a compiler error on-screen about the lighting needing to be rebuilt although being able to use stuff like "toggledebugcamera" is very handy for taking screenshots.
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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 23:37    Post subject:
Kein wrote:

I already mentioned in this thread that original Carter ran smooth 60@1080p*max settings on my 670.



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PostPosted: Fri, 11th Sep 2015 23:57    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:

As it's intended by the developers that it looks almost the same as the UE3 version

...except runs like shit, heh.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Sep 2015 01:04    Post subject:
Kein wrote:
JBeckman wrote:

As it's intended by the developers that it looks almost the same as the UE3 version

...except runs like shit, heh.


sleeping dogs remastered comes to mind
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Sep 2015 04:14    Post subject:
Sorry Kein, this runs absolutely flawlessly here. The only time framerate drops is if I try to run at 200% resolution scale.. which is friggin' 4K Laughing 1080p, 100% res, max settings, SMAA T2x or even TAA, all perfectly fine and locked at 60fps.. barely even breaks 60% GPU usage *except* when using "Sense" to open tears into... um... wherever, I'm not really sure yet grinhurt

The readme file does say if your system cannot handle it then you can simply play the original game, storywise it's the same, there's only a handful of tweaks in this one. This is the first UE4 game that actually runs good for me, Kholat had an annoying tendency to drop to high 40s and low 50s.
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Sep 2015 08:28    Post subject:
What is this TAA anti aliasing? I've never seen it in a game before. Some kind of post process temporal AA? Doing some tests it looks blurrier than the other methods, but also much more effective in cleaning up the flicker/graininess of vegetation. And the performance hit is about the same as SMAA/FXAA.

-edit I found an explanation on their site, it's Epic's own AA method that comes with UE4.
http://www.theastronauts.com/2015/09/the-vanishing-of-ethan-carter-redux-out-now/

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TAA: UE4’s temporal AA, least aliasing, but slight loss of detail unless Resolution Scale set to 200%
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Sep 2015 10:47    Post subject:
Played 5 minutes with everything maxed and SMAA T2x but no SSAA, holy shit it's impressive how smooth the game runs! I feel like my character is sliding or something instead of walking because everything is just sooo smooth.

There's only a tiny of stutter when I enter and exit that train on the bridge. For half a second the framerate drops a tiny bit from 60. That's it. My ancient Phenom II usually does worse than that these days. Intel owners won't even notice anything probably (assuming the presence of a good GPU of course).


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Sep 2015 11:02    Post subject:
IIRC the first iteration of this had an intermittent stutter which resulted in me uninstalling. Hopefully this'll be a lot less frustrating.
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Sep 2015 11:16    Post subject:
Wait is this some kind of True Detective / Cthulhu type of occult murder mystery? Very Happy Nice.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Sat, 12th Sep 2015 11:21    Post subject:
It's a open world (albeit a pretty small one.) exploration game with a slight horror/mystery theme, most of the time you explore and interact with objects solving simpler puzzles to trigger scenes which normally gives you notes that explain the backstory of the game.
(Some of the scenes get a bit weird but I think it was explained towards the end why things were that way, I haven't finished the full game yet though as I got stuck in some abandoned mine segment in the previous version.)
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