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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:33    Post subject:
harry_theone wrote:

@The_Zeel We're talking about Inventory Management and you come along with "Witcher 3 is better" wtf Laughing Anyone comparing them (and any game from now on with Witcher 3) can't be helped with. Fine, do it but don't use it as argument.


Witcher 3's inventory management was alot better than Fallout 4's, even though it was already pretty bad, this is a sad fact.
Sorry i said something negative about your current "avatar game" Cool Face
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harry_theone




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:38    Post subject:
Well it's obvious you guys are biased, though I am the only one that does openly admit it Cool Face But I just wanted to ask if it made you feel better now, that you didn't answer anything about the inventory management but instead just had to talk about how good Witcher 3 is Laughing

Top kek, lel. Why do you guys come here then, do you see me raiding the Witcher thread? Saying how terrible x and y is?
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:41    Post subject:
Neither game is comparable, they're different genres and different.. well.. everything. Loving one doesn't impact feelings for another, conversely disliking aspects about one doesn't prove superiority of another Razz The only thing both have in common is the amount of bugs and the retail-shipped awful inventory systems

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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:41    Post subject:
harry_theone wrote:
Well it's obvious you guys are biased, though I am the only one that does openly admit it Cool Face But I just wanted to ask if it made you feel better now, that you didn't answer anything about the inventory management but instead just had to talk about how good Witcher 3 is Laughing

Top kek, lel. Why do you guys come here then, do you see me raiding the Witcher thread? Saying how terrible x and y is?


We come here, because we didn't realize having opinions would offend you. Sorry for having opinions and daring to share them. You should have told us earlier this is your Safe Space.
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harry_theone




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:44    Post subject:
@Radicalus Obviously you still haven't put up a single valid argument, so much for that, lol. Seems I should go to the Witcher thread more often and post irrelevant bullcrap Laughing

You already disqualified yourself from taking part in the discussion already long ago in this thread. Hurt much?
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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:50    Post subject:
harry_theone wrote:
@Radicalus Obviously you still haven't put up a single valid argument, so much for that, lol. Seems I should go to the Witcher thread more often and post irrelevant bullcrap Laughing

You already disqualified yourself from taking part in the discussion already long ago in this thread. Hurt much?


Very Happy You'r the only one being butthurt here. I couldn't care less, what thread you post in, to be honest. And all this lingo of "You already disqualified yourself from taking part ..." sounds even more like we intruded your Safe Space. Perhaps you should be posting on Tumblr?

Also, let's establish FACTS.

1. I came in here posting this today: Inventory management takes away around 50% of the game time, it's so bad. Really horrible, in fact. - notice, I didn't compare it to anything, just stated my opinion.

2. Then you reply with this: No, but Witcher 3 is his favorite game, of course there's no Inventory management there.

So, mister Safe Space ... who exactly brought up other games in this thread?

Let me help: you. We just responded after that.

So, scuttle back to your Safe Space, you are like a boring broken record... who happens to be very confused or intentionally lying.
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:52    Post subject:
jrs2nd wrote:
not sure if posted before but english version up

Full dialog interface


Sooooo, do we want improved dialogue interface.. or do we want improved inventory sorting?

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/897/?

They're mutually exclusive due to the strings file they edit. Pick one Crying or Very sad

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harry_theone




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:53    Post subject:
Are you always like that or is this just a one time a week behaviour? I obviously had you on ignore for a reason, not sure why I bothered opening it again after replying to the quote on the last page Laughing

But keep saying things that are not true yo, whatever floats your boat m8. All I see is insults and assumptions Apart from posting a really dumb statement even though you played more than one RPG game, that's what I called you out on, which you had nothing to reply with.


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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:53    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
jrs2nd wrote:
not sure if posted before but english version up

Full dialog interface


Sooooo, do we want improved dialogue interface.. or do we want improved inventory sorting?

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/897/?

They're mutually exclusive due to the strings file they edit. Pick one Crying or Very sad



We need a hero to fix both.
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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:54    Post subject:
harry_theone wrote:
Are you always like that or is this just a one time a week behaviour? I obviously had you on ignore for a reason, not sure why I bothered opening it again after replying to the quote on the last page Laughing

But keep saying things that are not true yo, whatever floats your boat m8. All I see is insults and assumptions


All I see is a stubborn man incapable of admitting he jumped the gun, which you have. Tell me: during this conversation was it or was it not you, who brought up Witcher 3 first?

Simple YES/NO answer please. Let's settle this.

Anyone can check back the past couple of posts to see for themselves:

1. I came in here posting this today: Inventory management takes away around 50% of the game time, it's so bad. Really horrible, in fact. - notice, I didn't compare it to anything, just stated my opinion.

2. Then you reply with this: No, but Witcher 3 is his favorite game, of course there's no Inventory management there.

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So, simple YES/NO: was it in fact you, who brought up Witcher 3 today - and then started moaning about us invading your space?

Didn't know such oversensitive people were on these forums.


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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:55    Post subject:
@Radicalus Not really, I only pointed out the hypocrisy in your "statement", which was enough combined with other threads to see where you are going with this.

Keep going, I like how you're getting personal.
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:56    Post subject:
Chill, Harry, come on Smile You were the one that brought up W3 first.. just let it go. It's not important.
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:57    Post subject:
@sabin1981 He only comes here to troll, so I pulled the only thing he can not deny, I wonder why he plays RPGs at all, he doesn't like inventories and sorting them


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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:57    Post subject:
harry_theone wrote:
@Radicalus Not really, I only pointed out the hypocrisy in your "statement", which was enough combined with other threads to see where you are going with this.

Keep going, I like how you're getting personal.


YES/NO. Were you the one to in fact bring up witcher 3, then start bitching about people talking about other stuff in this thread?

Man up, and admit.
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harry_theone




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:58    Post subject:
@Radicalus I don't have to admit shit to you, lol. Is this your only thing now or are you going to let me go to my safe place? You're trying hard.
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 15:59    Post subject:
harry_theone wrote:
@sabin1981 He only comes here to troll, so I pulled the only thing he can not deny, I wonder why he plays RPGs at all, he doesn't like inventories and sorting them


Fallout 4 has a HORRENDOUS inventory system. One of the very worst. You cannot deny this, nobody can, it's bad.. it's truly awfully bad. I, personally, consider W3's inventory to have been much better purely because it was grid/tile-based and fully mouse controlled so you had an enormous amount of control and information at a glance - and yet even THAT one was bad initially too. This one is just... it's bad. Indefensibly bad. Anyone complaining about FO4's inventory system should just be nodded at and replied "yup, it's bad" Very Happy
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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:00    Post subject:
harry_theone wrote:
@sabin1981 He only comes here to troll, so I pulled the only thing he can not deny, I wonder why he plays RPGs at all, he doesn't like inventories and sorting them


I don't like inventories ... the fuck you on about? The only thing I dislike is cumbersome inventories.

What I dislike is studios like these, who have huge, huge budgets won't hire a UX developer for 6 months to make a proper PC UI. That would cost less than 30 thousand dollars to do, or in other words, 500 copies of the game. Out of many millions sold.

Please.
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harry_theone




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:01    Post subject:
@sabin1981 I did say so, before and after I've seen it. Though I may be the exception, I keep it super-tidy but it still doesn't even cost me 5 minutes. CK soon so that's just of a temporary nuisance.
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:02    Post subject:
harry_theone wrote:
@sabin1981 I did say so, before and after I've seen it. Though I may be the exception, I keep it super-tidy but it still doesn't even cost me 5 minutes. CK soon so that's just of a temporary nuisance.


Exactly, it will be fixed soon, but that doesn't mean it's not terrible right now Wink That's all Radicalus was saying, and it's what I agree with, inventory management right now is terrible and takes up far too much of a percentage of game time.
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Epsilon
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:10    Post subject:
I've played the game, I've done all the things I care to over the course of 85 hours. I've gotten, what I think, is a well informed opinion on it now.

What follows are my thoughts.

I really enjoyed exploring the world. Theres a lot of stuff in it. The gunplay is great, though obviously not as complex as dedicated tactical shooters. But miles beyond what it was in the previous installment.
Crafting is entertaining, if a bit meaningless concerning settlements; theres no real tangible gain to setting up multiple settlements and traderoutes. Sure you earn more money, but you really struggle to find something to spend it on. But the weapon customization system I got fully invested in with "Gun Nut" and "Science!" fully maxed out. And it greatly paid off with mods.
I was playing on very hard and then later 'upgraded' to survival, only difference being time takes for health items to take effect. But I needed all the damage I could get out of my weapons so modding them was a must.
I like shooting limbs being a viable tactic, and not just constantly going for the head, cribbling enemies is a fun way to end combat as enemies try to get away from you.

Having to power power armor is an interesting system, if a bit useless. The last 10 hours of my game I was constantly in power armor and by the time the game "ended", after a total of 85 hours, I still had 64 cores left. Laughing

The dialogue system is downright idiotic. Multiple times I had situations where there were speech checks that I passed and I would reload and go for the choices with no speech checks, the only difference in the outcome was more xp for me. Same consequences no matter what you do or say. Maybe in the next version they get rid of the dialogue system completely?
I enjoyed the game to the point where a certain faction comes flying onto the scene. It reminded me of how annoyed I was with the way it worked in Fallout 3. Suddenly Enclave all over the wasteland because reasons!
 Spoiler:
 

The story and the writing went further downhill from there reaching fratboy dudebro levels of quality at the lowest, the highest being the detective missions.
The legendary enemies dropping 'legendary' loot is dumb as well, I ended the game with multiple arcane artifacts that allowed me to never having to reload. Or doing more damage in the dark. Or an armor piece that made me luckier.
I cannot in any kind of good faith consider the legacy of this game to be part of what I will consider Fallout canon as established by the original games.
As far as almost everybody else is concerned though this is now Fallout; A Borderlands inspired shooter with neat crafting and weapon customization mechanics.

If theres another installment in the franchise and it's not made by Obsidian. I don't think I'll care.
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fable2




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:11    Post subject:
Was this mod posted before?
Full Dialogue Interface
This mod makes the game display the full lines of what your character is going to say in conversation, instead of just a paraphrase.
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1235/?
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Radicalus




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:12    Post subject:
My problem is specifically the game time aspect of it. I don't mind the weight limit, that is cool imho. You have to chose, what to take, what not, you have to make trips, all that is cool. Problem is it takes ages to break down stuff and to sell stuff. It's all about Quality of Life changes.

I really wish studios would put more effort in these things.
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:16    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
sausje wrote:
Just like real fog obviously hahah, it clears up too around you but in distance you can't see shit Razz


Yeah, pretty much.. but it's ugly as fuck indoors and irritating as all hell outdoors because, as you can see in the 3rd image, you can see the "bubble" of No Fog around you. Fuck that bubble Mad


The console command "gr" controls various god-ray related settings including ambient fog however it doesn't work correctly so it's set to 0 by default but by setting it to a value of 1 you remove nearly all of the other fog effects so that should help as a workaround for this issue. Smile
(Alternatively you can play around with some of the fog color settings offered by this gr console cvar to still keep the fog effect but make it less bright.)
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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:21    Post subject:
Thanks for the tips, JB! Any idea exactly which GR command it is? As you can see in the first two images of mine, the indoor fog is truly obnoxious and I want it gone Mad Though, saying that, if this "fog" is tied to god rays, I'd rather not wholesale disable god rays if I can help it :\
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:23    Post subject:
fable2 wrote:
Was this mod posted before?
Full Dialogue Interface
This mod makes the game display the full lines of what your character is going to say in conversation, instead of just a paraphrase.
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1235/?
It was.

I kinda like not knowing what the bugger's gonna say, it keeps the suspense.
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:24    Post subject:
Epsilon wrote:
I've played the game, I've done all the things I care to over the course of 85 hours. I've gotten, what I think, is a well informed opinion on it now.

What follows are my thoughts.

I really enjoyed exploring the world. Theres a lot of stuff in it. The gunplay is great, though obviously not as complex as dedicated tactical shooters. But miles beyond what it was in the previous installment.
Crafting is entertaining, if a bit meaningless concerning settlements; theres no real tangible gain to setting up multiple settlements and traderoutes. Sure you earn more money, but you really struggle to find something to spend it on. But the weapon customization system I got fully invested in with "Gun Nut" and "Science!" fully maxed out. And it greatly paid off with mods.
I was playing on very hard and then later 'upgraded' to survival, only difference being time takes for health items to take effect. But I needed all the damage I could get out of my weapons so modding them was a must.
I like shooting limbs being a viable tactic, and not just constantly going for the head, cribbling enemies is a fun way to end combat as enemies try to get away from you.

Having to power power armor is an interesting system, if a bit useless. The last 10 hours of my game I was constantly in power armor and by the time the game "ended", after a total of 85 hours, I still had 64 cores left. Laughing

The dialogue system is downright idiotic. Multiple times I had situations where there were speech checks that I passed and I would reload and go for the choices with no speech checks, the only difference in the outcome was more xp for me. Same consequences no matter what you do or say. Maybe in the next version they get rid of the dialogue system completely?
I enjoyed the game to the point where a certain faction comes flying onto the scene. It reminded me of how annoyed I was with the way it worked in Fallout 3. Suddenly Enclave all over the wasteland because reasons!
 Spoiler:
 

The story and the writing went further downhill from there reaching fratboy dudebro levels of quality at the lowest, the highest being the detective missions.
The legendary enemies dropping 'legendary' loot is dumb as well, I ended the game with multiple arcane artifacts that allowed me to never having to reload. Or doing more damage in the dark. Or an armor piece that made me luckier.
I cannot in any kind of good faith consider the legacy of this game to be part of what I will consider Fallout canon as established by the original games.
As far as almost everybody else is concerned though this is now Fallout; A Borderlands inspired shooter with neat crafting and weapon customization mechanics.

If theres another installment in the franchise and it's not made by Obsidian. I don't think I'll care.


I now only build the crafting stations for each settlement I own, scrapping all existing content so if people were living there earlier well they can fuck right off. Very Happy
(The only thing I've noticed I might use them for is perhaps if I set up little shop stalls or scrap stations but there's been no need for that and this way I avoid raids and other stuff too.)
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:25    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Thanks for the tips, JB! Any idea exactly which GR command it is? As you can see in the first two images of mine, the indoor fog is truly obnoxious and I want it gone Mad Though, saying that, if this "fog" is tied to god rays, I'd rather not wholesale disable god rays if I can help it :\


"gr fog 1"

or "gr fog 0" to reset it back top default, you can use gr without any parameters to see all available commands and how they are used or the command gr info to see the current settings. Smile

Disabling fog does not disable the god-rays, I'll try to get a screenshot comparison up.
(You can also decrease and increase the quality from 0 at the lowest to 1 as medium and finally 2 as high-quality, only really makes a tiny difference in filtering of said ray effect but you can also set it to 3 to improve quality even higher but it seems to also introduce small visual artifacts / glitches on the rays.)


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:26    Post subject:
You're an absolute star, thank you! I'll head back to Goodneighbor and give it a try

~edit~

No, sadly, there's no change with "gr fog 1" or "gr fog 0" Sad



"atmospheric fog" my ass. When I look across my livingroom, I don't see half of it bathed in "fog" Mad


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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:27    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
jrs2nd wrote:
not sure if posted before but english version up

Full dialog interface


Sooooo, do we want improved dialogue interface.. or do we want improved inventory sorting?

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/897/?

They're mutually exclusive due to the strings file they edit. Pick one Crying or Very sad


Thanks!
I prefer a better inventory sorting.
As the dialogue mostly is just crappy oneliners by either character anyways.

harry_theone wrote:
Settlement Supplies Expanded (Chairs, Doors, Cars, unruined Furniture!)
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/1145/?

That's also good, thanks. Very Happy
Though i wonder, how fun it will be to scroll through so many more objects with that clunky building interface.


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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Nov 2015 16:30    Post subject:
Finally some beta test signs in SteamDB.
They're cooking v1.2 patch Very Happy


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