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yeah but what is steam policy about refunding,i mean they said they will refund Batman AK until the end of the year probably because the whole fiasco and shit but on other games don't they offer 48 hours until refund expires?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 18:49 Post subject: |
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in this case true harry,in older cases like starforce fucking drivers fucking up the system etc not
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 18:53 Post subject: |
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| banish wrote: | | yeah but what is steam policy about refunding,i mean they said they will refund Batman AK until the end of the year probably because the whole fiasco and shit but on other games don't they offer 48 hours until refund expires? |
On steam you are eligible for refund for 14 days from date of sale (in case of preorder I believe it's 14 days from release of preordered product) as long as you have less than 2 hours played time.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 19:21 Post subject: |
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Really? The crack is not working properly. Crashes on random/different quests, places, actions... In MGSV they didn't even fix the INTRO crash... forget about cracking this shit.. we are all fuc*ed now!
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 19:22 Post subject: |
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both worked fine for me till i stopped playing (madmax ~2hrs, mgs ~6-8hrs and no crash or whatever)
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 19:59 Post subject: |
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Let them, bitching about people bitching isn't much better. It filled up a whole page now. 
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 20:20 Post subject: |
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| harry_theone wrote: | I don't get how people get hurt over the game's protection, if you bought it you shouldn't care about the mechanism, if you don't, you deal with it, simple as fuck  I for sure don't want this to turn into RIN where every fucking newbie asks the same shit over and over, it's going to be the same here soon. |
If you don't get it, let me explain some of the issues with Denuvo in particular:
- I have strict firewall blocking, in order to launch a Denuvo protected game, I'd have to create a rule to explicitly allow outbound connections for the game executable in order to have game authenticated (that in itself is a proof that it's not "merely" anti-tamper tech when it requires third party authentication outside of Steam). Creating rules is fast, but it's extra work to do that I wouldn't have to do if it had SteamStub or CEG protection (where whitelisting steam.exe is more than enough)
- If you change hardware, you are required to re-authenticate. And if you change your hardware more often (or reinstall windows often), you'll be soon unable to authenticate your game (like securom or other DRM that did have only finite number of authentications). Now this is not that huge deal when games are shitty and it's unlikely you'll reinstall them more than once or twice. But it poses issue to people that benchmark games, or those that reinstall windows every month. Source - although in this case it's Origin+Denuvo, I recall same issue had benchmarking people last year with Lords of the Fallen which is Steam, but I couldn't find a link at this time.
- If the game is Denuvo protected, it's likely it will make games hard or impossible to mod. In case of Just Cause 3, it'll be unlikely to get a multiplayer mod like JC2 did.
Now if you disregard any of these issues I outlined (likely there are more that I hadn't thought of), then you are no better than those that say "It runs well for me, so it's just you". I understand majority of people don't change hardware or reinstall operating system every week or people that use firewall to strictly filter internet traffic and only allow those that truly need it. They are just minority. And for those Denuvo does pose some degree of inconvenience.
On the other hand I can live with allowing some outbound connection for game exe, but at the same time with some refund/offline mode/firewalling nonsense I can get the game for free, same as like with piracy, so one could argue having Denuvo is pointless in the first place.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 20:36 Post subject: |
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@z0ne didn't had any problems with Mad Max it worked flawless for me,MGS...yeah everybody had the intro problem which isn't fixed even now as far as i know
@tolanri some of the points i wanted to point out but didn't because i was sure someone would just say im bitching and wanted to avoid that since some of us are ok with all kind of DRM and anti-tampering shit and whatever its not my place to change their pov.A quality game doesn't need denuvo and i don't need it simple as that
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 21:05 Post subject: |
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@tolanri Your first point is that YOU have to do something with your firewall because of Denuvo? Who am I to care about your system and what you set up there, the fuck? Not going to happen anytime soon that my hardware changes drastically, went through that already, don't reinstall often, and I remember the authentication was ONE game, so much for that. Hasn't happened anywhere else for another IIRC. Weird point once again, you know nothing about the game's protection and it's file structure, the Devs themselves said it will be up to Modders and they'll certainly make it easy for them. Who should I believe, a random forum user or Avalanche? 
So no, I disregard those "issues" because most of what you said is a personal experience indeed and there's tons of people that have the opposite of what you do, that's not "it's just you" but if it makes you feel better, then so be it. But it surely makes sense people ask about the protection days before release, which will be known ON release  RIN all over. That's all I said, but nice to know you think I defend the protection, fight the good fight!
@banish loool imply something totally wrong some more dude. Who said it's needed, point me to it?  You ask things nobody knows about yet, what did you expect?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 21:10 Post subject: |
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@harry_theone i didn't say you said that.You just feel ok with it and it's fine by me.That was just my personal pov as a consumer that Denuvo is not needed
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 21:15 Post subject: |
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I just think it's mostly a waste of time and resources. Pricing has far more effect on piracy than these kind of silly protections these days.
Btw, Hairy stop being so damn confrontational everywhere. It only annoys people and I don't see what you get out of it. If you want to feel better than others... do us a favour: tell yourself that you are and get over it.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 21:31 Post subject: |
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| tolanri wrote: | | harry_theone wrote: | | I don't get how people get hurt over the game's protection, if you bought it you shouldn't care about the mechanism, if you don't, you deal with it, simple as fuck I for sure don't want this to turn into RIN where every fucking newbie asks the same shit over and over, it's going to be the same here soon. |
If you don't get it, let me explain some of the issues with Denuvo in particular:
- I have strict firewall blocking, in order to launch a Denuvo protected game, I'd have to create a rule to explicitly allow outbound connections for the game executable in order to have game authenticated (that in itself is a proof that it's not "merely" anti-tamper tech when it requires third party authentication outside of Steam). Creating rules is fast, but it's extra work to do that I wouldn't have to do if it had SteamStub or CEG protection (where whitelisting steam.exe is more than enough)
- If you change hardware, you are required to re-authenticate. And if you change your hardware more often (or reinstall windows often), you'll be soon unable to authenticate your game (like securom or other DRM that did have only finite number of authentications). Now this is not that huge deal when games are shitty and it's unlikely you'll reinstall them more than once or twice. But it poses issue to people that benchmark games, or those that reinstall windows every month. Source - although in this case it's Origin+Denuvo, I recall same issue had benchmarking people last year with Lords of the Fallen which is Steam, but I couldn't find a link at this time.
- If the game is Denuvo protected, it's likely it will make games hard or impossible to mod. In case of Just Cause 3, it'll be unlikely to get a multiplayer mod like JC2 did.
Now if you disregard any of these issues I outlined (likely there are more that I hadn't thought of), then you are no better than those that say "It runs well for me, so it's just you". I understand majority of people don't change hardware or reinstall operating system every week or people that use firewall to strictly filter internet traffic and only allow those that truly need it. They are just minority. And for those Denuvo does pose some degree of inconvenience.
On the other hand I can live with allowing some outbound connection for game exe, but at the same time with some refund/offline mode/firewalling nonsense I can get the game for free, same as like with piracy, so one could argue having Denuvo is pointless in the first place. |
Wrong. You don't need Internet access for denuvo.
You only need Internet access for the drm that the game itself uses (Origin or steam for example).
Have a nice day 
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| Posted: Thu, 26th Nov 2015 21:34 Post subject: |
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someone put sand in harry's vagoo again, stop doing that ppl
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2015 11:48 Post subject: |
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| Janz wrote: | | technically thats true, denuvo isnt a drm mechanism. it just protects the drm runtime |
Its still shit. Will denuvo at some point easy to crack. Because i want the games on day 1.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2015 12:16 Post subject: |
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game already avalibale in belgium stores for pc and console
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2015 13:14 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Nov 2015 13:15 Post subject: |
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there is no exe on dvd isn't it?
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