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Steelone




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 13:05    Post subject:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
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Friendly fire is still in, right? From arty and ranged infantry.

Having watched a few battles on YT, I find it strange that people don't mind sending melee troops in front of their own musketeers, for example.


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In most TW games, ranged units do try to avoid hitting your own troops. They often fail but they usually hit more of the enemy.
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 13:26    Post subject:
Yeah. Also, the mentioned people most likely do it to prevent their ranged units getting forced into melee. Which is.... kinda logical?! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 13:50    Post subject:
There's definitely friendly fire, at least on the higher difficulties anyway. I've seen a number of videos where people have hit their own troops with spells/artillery/ranged units.

I was watching one just a couple of hours ago where a guy playing as Dwarfs had like 4 units of Thunderers (riflemen) clustered around an enemy general, unloading on him from all sides at close to point blank range. There was a bit of collateral damage going on.



But they were only a settlement garrison though, so he didn't care about the losses.
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 14:36    Post subject:
Hm, do friendly unit / hero area of affect attacks with a knock back effect damage friendlies as well?
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 14:45    Post subject:
Bought this (from a cd key site), since I don't expect a crack anytime near day 1. Quite expensive though (38 EUR).
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r3dshift




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 15:03    Post subject:
Good to know that FF hasn't been cut. I know it's been in since Rome 1 , I suppose. Or perhaps in Shogun 1 as well, can't remember, it was eons ago.. Would have been utterly derp to remove it -- but one can never be sure with CA and SEGA.

Bought it too together with a friend. Practically got it at 50% off this way and since I don't care about online crap such as multipalyer and achievements, I'll be fine.


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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 15:05    Post subject:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
Yeah. Also, the mentioned people most likely do it to prevent their ranged units getting forced into melee. Which is.... kinda logical?! Very Happy

No, it's not. There's always shirmish mode if someone is too lame to pull their ranged units back.


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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 15:11    Post subject:
r3dshift wrote:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
Yeah. Also, the mentioned people most likely do it to prevent their ranged units getting forced into melee. Which is.... kinda logical?! Very Happy

No, it's not. There's always shirmish mode if someone is too lame to pull their ranged units back.


Uhm.. yes it is. Use some crappy crappy low cost melee unit as a meatshield and just fire away, taking the collateral damage into account on purpose. Nothing to do with being lame or "not using" skirmish mode.


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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 15:37    Post subject:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
r3dshift wrote:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
Yeah. Also, the mentioned people most likely do it to prevent their ranged units getting forced into melee. Which is.... kinda logical?! Very Happy

No, it's not. There's always shirmish mode if someone is too lame to pull their ranged units back.


Uhm.. yes it is. Use some crappy crappy low cost melee unit as a meatshield and just fire away, taking the collateral damage into account on purpose. Nothing to do with being lame or "not using" skirmish mode.

Well, if your crappy meat shield units crumble and flee due to FF, that's not really a good tactic now, is it?


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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 15:42    Post subject:
Bretonnia and Orc strategy is entirely built around the concept of disposable units. In both cases, peasants for Bretonnia, Goblins for the Orcs, they don't suffer any morale effect due to those units breaking. It's expected they will break. They suck. Dying is their only purpose in life.
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r3dshift




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 15:53    Post subject:
That might be so, but I've been considering my past experience with previous TW titles. Naturally, I can't comment regarding a non-released game I've never played.

And I'll be playing Chaos and Vampires anyway. Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 15:56    Post subject:
Not seen a streamer play as the Empire yet which is annoying. Warrior Priests man, they're my favorite human WH Fantasy unit.
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 16:03    Post subject:
r3dshift wrote:
That might be so, but I've been considering my past experience with previous TW titles. Naturally, I can't comment regarding a non-released game I've never played.

And I'll be playing Chaos and Vampires anyway. Smile

Vampires are the same. Zombies and Skeletons are complete shit units that are cheap and entirely disposable. You basically use them as speed bumps to slow down the enemy long enough to make use of your decent units.

Chaos are the same to a degree, although here you aren't playing a proper full Chaos roster, just an undivided warrior subset with a few extras. In that instance Marauders are your disposable troops.

The point is, Warhammer is not the same as traditional TW games. It plays by its own set of rules derived from the tabletop game, as it should be.

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Not seen a streamer play as the Empire yet which is annoying.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_4YUWpVmAqlL13a8d9LCBGP55h-xYv9t



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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 17:06    Post subject:
I've watched a ton of streams and I think I'll buy this. Attila didn't impress me, but this looks pretty good and I can't miss the chance to play with vampire counts. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 19:52    Post subject:
It costs me to say, this looks pretty fucking good. Looks like CA succeeded in pulling their heads out of their asses on this one Surprised


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DCB




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 20:26    Post subject:
From the various videos I have seen, it still has plenty of the same problems past TWs have had. The Warhammer setting and the changeup of unit types/dynamics will certainly make things more interesting, but I don't know that it will be enough in the long term. I think I'll wait a month or so for the isodemo.
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Prandur




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 21:22    Post subject:
The thing is, there might not be an isodemo in the near future. I'd never have bought this if I thought that an isodemo is gonna be available from day one Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 21:47    Post subject:
I caved and pre-durr'd it, first time in many years (apart from kcikstarters), had a -27% coupon on gmg so wasn't too bad. Watching some gameplay vids now and getting pretty hyped Cool
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 21:51    Post subject:
I would be surprised if there is an isodemo in the next 6 months.

I think there are a few denuvo games that has been an uncracked for longer than that, so don't see why this would be an exception.
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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 22:33    Post subject:
Thankfully I suck at total war games so I won't be buying it anytime soon Laughing


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r3dshift




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PostPosted: Sun, 22nd May 2016 23:24    Post subject:
Prandur wrote:
The thing is, there might not be an isodemo in the near future. I'd never have bought this if I thought that an isodemo is gonna be available from day one Smile

Originally, I too was going to isodemo this. But seeing that it has denuvo and not even DOOM (an arguably bigger title) has been cracked yet, I'm not too optimistic about the future of piracy.

Of course, the game is gonna be cracked within a week or so regardless. Just because I've bought it -- as was the case with Attila. Wink


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 09:17    Post subject:
So those with the game, is this worth playing? Or better off installing dark omen.

Whats good and whats bad about the strategic mode and the battle mode.. Do battles play the same as original TW:Rome reskinned? (How I find all TW games).
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 09:53    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
Do battles play the same as original TW:Rome reskinned? (How I find all TW games).


Yes the only major differences is now there are hero units, flying units and magic.
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 15:09    Post subject:
Magic sukcks, though Razz
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Reg67




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 15:12    Post subject:
Prandur wrote:
Bought this (from a cd key site), since I don't expect a crack anytime near day 1.


Don't say that, I am spent up this month. Will buy this, just not tomorrow. However, does anyone know of a cheap key in the UK? Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 15:43    Post subject:
EternalBlueScreen wrote:
Not seen a streamer play as the Empire yet which is annoying.

LegendOfTotalWar just started his Empire series. He's much better than that SurrealBeliefs guy I posted earlier.



Reg67 wrote:
However, does anyone know of a cheap key in the UK? Thanks

Not cheap exactly, but GamesPlanet had it for 30 quid over the weekend. It has now gone up to £33.
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 16:03    Post subject:
There's no cheap keys atm, but these are the best deals, with prices fluctuating almost on a daily basis:
http://www.allkeyshop.com/blog/buy-total-war-warhammer-cd-key-compare-prices/


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 16:08    Post subject:
Cheers, I will keep an eye out, wow those prices are greed personified.. They deserve to be pirated.
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r3dshift




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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 16:29    Post subject:
Reg67 wrote:
Cheers, I will keep an eye out, wow those prices are greed personified.. They deserve to be pirated.

They do indeed and those prices are horrible.

Anyway, I see this hasn't been posted yet:


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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd May 2016 17:01    Post subject:
r3dshift wrote:
Reg67 wrote:
Cheers, I will keep an eye out, wow those prices are greed personified.. They deserve to be pirated.

They do indeed and those prices are horrible.

Full retail price is like 85 monopoly dollars down at the ass end of the world. Even the best key price is like 60-65 monopoly dollars. Fucking exchange rate.

r3dshift wrote:
Anyway, I see this hasn't been posted yet

Interesting. Aside from lack of normal maps, low doesn't look super different texture-wise. It seems like shadows are the major framerate killer, unsurprisingly. You are going to want a beefy rig to run this on max settings no doubt.

The "unit detail" setting seems misnamed. It appears to be more of a unit model variation slider.
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