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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 16:40    Post subject:
so much win So Much Win


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 16:44    Post subject:
There is many mixed reviews out there, i think it has to do with mobo, bios updates, and ram types/timing/manuf.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 16:46    Post subject:
amd stocks crashing hard Very Happy almost 4% lost since the nda was gone

edit: noooow over 4%
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 16:50    Post subject:
@Janz

That's GREAT, that means AMD stops making desktop CPU's and all you'll have are really awesome and not at all overpriced Intel CPU's! \o/
Woohoo, that's a pure win for the consumer.


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Janz




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 16:52    Post subject:
thats what you get for showing only shit and hyping fanboys

already -4,9%, they will crash hard in the next hours. still over 5 hrs till nasdaq closes
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 16:54    Post subject:
why would their stock be crashing??


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Lathieza




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 16:58    Post subject:
@Janz Thats just pathetic. Do you even know anything about stocks? Nvidia is also down by 2%.

On another note, great time to pick up some extra shares.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:01    Post subject:
I am kinda getting an impression that AMD was involved in some very traumatic event in Janz's childhood.

Those hated AMD fanboys are less invested in seeing AMD succeed than he is in seeing them fail Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:01    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
why would their stock be crashing??


Because their CPU wasn't better than they showcased, naturally. I guess someone expected miracles and beating competition in every test against mature competition. Anything but and it's a fail. Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:03    Post subject:
I think a 1700(non-X) with a little OC might be a really great and futureproof investement. I'd just wait a bit for mobo issues to be ironed out.


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Janz




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:03    Post subject:
it crashes because their product cant life up the hype they created, the bubble most likely will just explode


@mrtinkles: normal price fluctuations for the nvidia stock, they will rise with the launch of the 1080ti and not fall like amds stock does atm
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:04    Post subject:
Their product delivers pretty much exactly what I expected. It didnt fail like many haters expected though.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:06    Post subject:
ofc it delivers exactly what reasonable people expected (and i said that weeks ago, and all "uh no, it will be soooooo good blablala"). deal with it
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:07    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
it crashes because their product cant life up the hype they created, the bubble most likely will just explode


@mrtinkles: normal price fluctuations for the nvidia stock, they will rise with the launch of the 1080ti and not fall like amds stock does atm



Hahaha so Nvidia stock drop is normal price fluctuation but AMD is not.... yep makes a lot of sense. Also people who buy shares are not doing this for the Ryzen launch. They are expecting increased profits this year and Ryzen is only a small part. Naples will be the biggest piece of the pie.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:07    Post subject:
Deal with what? Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:09    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:10    Post subject:
Janz seems to be having a mental breakdown Laughing

Back to the topic at hand, computerbase.de's 1080p results are actually quite good for Ryzen in terms of how close it comes to 7700k. Here is what's bothering me though:

Battlefield 1
DX11 1080p - 121.8 FPS
DX12 1080p - 89.2 FPS

DE:MD
DX11 1080p - 79.5 FPS
DX12 1080p - 63.5 FPS

TW:WH
DX11 1080p - 40.2 FPS
DX12 1080p - 30.5 FPS

Now you could say that it's mostly just shitty DX12 implementation in these games, but Intel's CPUs see nowhere near as much of a drop when switching to DX12.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:13    Post subject:
@Lathieza: 1-2% down is normal yes, and yes its normal when a competitor like amd launches a product. why should nvidia rise? ryzen is no competitor to nvidia, their gfx cards are. so there is absolutely directly relation -> normal fluctuations. But above -5% NOT! especially not on the day the product hits the streets. amd could have prevented that with an nda end over a week ago, but now their artificial created rise of the stocks will blow up. and btw intel is rising Wink not much, but they are

and you have to compare the usd value of the stocks per piece, nvidia is around 100 bucks, amd 14,2usd and intel ~36


@Sauronich: quite good for a 560 euro cpu loosing against a 340 euro cpu?


edit: -6%

ok i stop it, its already dead
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:19    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
it crashes because their product cant life up the hype they created, the bubble most likely will just explode


@mrtinkles: normal price fluctuations for the nvidia stock, they will rise with the launch of the 1080ti and not fall like amds stock does atm


You're talking to the wrong cat, bub! Razz


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:22    Post subject:
People are selling their shares because they already made 600% profit. It will probably drop this week to 13 even but it doesn't matter because it will pick up again from there. The benchmarks today promise a very good Naples CPU and that's where all the money is.

Also you are comparing apples with pears. You should put the R7 against the 6900K and when R5 comes out you can compare it with with the 6700K, but whatever.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:26    Post subject:
@Janz
Quite good for a 1700 which can be overclocked to 1800X levels. The 1700X and the 1800X are shit for gaming (and for everything else really, when you consider the 1700), on that I agree with you.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:32    Post subject:
and the reason to compare an oced ryzen (which then works outside its specifications) with a stock i7 is? exactly -> not reasonable

@lathieza: so the cut down ryzens with less cores but same tech should be a miracle?

i say it again: they are not bad! but they are too expensive. 250 bucks for the 1700 instead of 350 would have been a great show stealer. would have been, in this case it simply isnt
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:37    Post subject:
Janz wrote:

i say it again: they are not bad! but they are too expensive. 250 bucks for the 1700 instead of 350 would have been a great show stealer. would have been, in this case it simply isnt


I agree, I was hoping for the 1800x for 200€....


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:38    Post subject:
Getting really tired of Janz...my god.

Anyway like Lathieza said, the R7 cpu's go against broadwell-e cpu's more than kaby lake or skylake. I think that was clear from the start...apparently not.

We should wait to see what R5 and R3 cpu's bring in terms of gaming compared to kaby lakes for example.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:41    Post subject:
Janz wrote:
and the reason to compare an oced ryzen (which then works outside its specifications) with a stock i7 is? exactly -> not reasonable

Technically you are right. I guess I'm basing the comparison on the fact that all Ryzen 7s are essentially the exact same CPU at different clocks, so buying anything other than the 1700 is pointless. Power users can take that into account when making a purchase, but everyone else can't (and shouldn't have to).


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 17:41    Post subject:
We should also see how much better 4 cores clock against 8 cores for AMD. Intel's 8 cores have had difficulties going much higher than 4.2Ghz aswell. Obviously having 8 cores together produces more heat than having 4.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 18:34    Post subject:
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-03/amd-ryzen-1800x-1700x-1700-test/4/#abschnitt_benchmarks_mit_fps_und_frametimes


I am rather disappointed in the gaming performance. Sad

The 1800x (559€) only had similar performance to a 7700k (359€).
For such a high price difference that's just terrible.


More cores might useful in the future for games. But for now it is not.
That's why i'm going to order an 7700k finally with the other needed parts on the weekend.
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Janz




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 18:38    Post subject:
good brony! just take 3000er ram directly, will work without problems with the z270 chipset (or lets say the cpu, cause the dram controller is inside the cpu). kaby is officially supporting 2400mhz but 3000mhz oc with a z board is no problem
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Mar 2017 21:39    Post subject:
Does anyone have any idea how to explain this?



This result is an outlier of course, but still, very strange. Maybe Ryzen just needs a couple miracle BIOS patches on some motherboards to really shine? Laughing
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