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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Aug 2017 10:59    Post subject:
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We’ve partnered with Faceware Technologies to build something special -- the ability to track your facial movement and stream it onto your character's face.





That's actually cool.
But that retards seem to just want to implement new features all the time, instead of just focussing on finishing this "game".


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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Aug 2017 11:11    Post subject:
To me this would make more sense post launch but since it's this game... whatever Laughing


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th Aug 2017 12:04    Post subject:
It's pretty sure for the past 2 years nobody in this company knows how to run such big project. They just keep drifting around like "hey we will make this first, it's important. Oh wait, what if that is more important. But this is now the most essential part etc" And this is inevitable because Chris Roberts with all his superior intelligence decided to hire 400-500 workers (or whatever the real number of real staff and contractors is today) from the very beginning instead of hiring the ground base programmers first who should've focused on altering the dumb CryEngine as problemfree for the game as possible and then add the others when they are needed. Now he created a fuckmess of shitstorm where 300 or more people just do whatever they feel like only so they can earn their salaries when probably not even 10% of what they make can be put in the game any time soon because of the bad coding. I know Roberts thought the game will be finished fast enough with so many people working on it but now they are just leeching backers money without being any useful.

TL;DR : CIG has abysmal project management. Too many people on salaries work on too many different things when the code is still broken as an unfaithful docker's wife and probably only 10% of what they are doing now will make it into the final game because of the coding issues.
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th Aug 2017 22:46    Post subject:
I really wonder why there are not "oculus touch controllers" for normal games. You can do so much with this, it's crazy.


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Don't know if it's been posted, but:



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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Aug 2017 16:01    Post subject:
Jesus christ... Laughing this really won´t come ever.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Aug 2017 10:28    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Jesus christ... Laughing this really won´t come ever.


If anything the presentation shows you just how far off any final product is. They couldn't even complete a simple fetch quest and we're years into development. Good luck implementing the rest of the features.

Derek's take on Gamescom... Laughing

http://dereksmart.com/forums/reply/5685/
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Aug 2017 11:03    Post subject:
xGAME007 wrote:
Don't know if it's been posted, but:

Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Aug 2017 11:11    Post subject:
If 3.0 stands for 3% done, then it's not that bad I guess.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Aug 2017 14:51    Post subject:
i'am excited for when this will hit the marked in 10 years and cost will be like 500mio €, new record! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Aug 2017 16:00    Post subject:
Still awaiting the breaking news that they need to change engine and start everything from scratch.
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Aug 2017 18:19    Post subject:
Laughing


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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Sep 2017 17:01    Post subject:
Star Citizen 3.0 update "akin to Early Access" launch
"It would be the worst scam in the world."

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There are two schools of thought on the long, long-in-development Star Citizen. For fans, it is an in-development wonder, a work-in-progress promise of a bright, stellar future. It's a game in which people have already invested significant amounts of money.

But it's that same money that, for others, is a problem. Here is a crowdfunded game - or the foundations of one, at least - which is way behind schedule, which often fails to hit deadlines, and which never seems to quite live up to its promise.

I met up with the Star Citizen figurehead, Chris Roberts, at Gamescom last month for a frank chat on how things were going. Unsurprisingly, he falls in to the first school of thought - and was keen to explain why.

Gamescom saw a huge press conference for the game. Those who were there - or who watched remotely - got to see more details of Star Citizen's hotly-anticipated update 3.0, plus future enhancements such as the game's fancy new face over IP technology. My original plan for this interview was to run it alongside the launch of 3.0, which was expected by many fans to launch last week. But again, Star Citizen's development is taking longer than expected. The latest best guesstimate for launch now seems to be early October.

So here we are, with fans again wondering when the next update will arrive. Five years after its announcement, where is the future of Star Citizen headed? Will it ever be finished? Here's Chris Roberts with his take.

[...]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-08-29-star-citizen-would-be-the-worst-scam-in-the-world


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 08:02    Post subject:
this reminds me a lot of both duke nukem forever and daikatana.. every time something 'new' shows up, the project lead throws his latte on the ground, stands up and yells WE HAVE TO PUT THIS IN OUR GAME!!

i cant imagine this being as big of a disaster as those two games, but i can sure see it taking every bit as long to reach completion, and i doubt its going to live up to the promise it once did.. what they probably dont realize is that the longer a game takes, the less forgiving people will be if its not the most awesome, perfectest game ever made.


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 09:21    Post subject:
That little bit of news gave me hope.

Submitted my refund request. Maybe I'll be able to get out of this scheme with at least my money, if not my dignity because I fell for it, intact.


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 11:26    Post subject:
Is it really worth refunding? People seem to make more money on ebay for those sweet early deal LTI packages. I have the cheapest $35 Aurora LTI Digital Scout package and I could easily make 50€ on ebay I guess?


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 18:40    Post subject:
It will at least be faster to get your money via eBay Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 18:58    Post subject:
I asked a coworker what he thought about that large refund and this was his reply

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Whiney bitches with no patience? What did they think would happen when they signed on at the beginning of a large software project? Everything I have seen so far has justified my faith in the project, but people like to disproportionately spotlight the vocal, disaffected minority like they jumped on that one discredited study linking vaccines and autism. If there were some sort of systemic problem with Star Citizen, it would not have continued to raise money to the tune of nearly $160 million now.

You can make legitimate complaints about certain things, like the current scope of Star Citizen now vs. what was originally pitched, but pretty much every indication is that this is what the majority of the backers want.


Needless to say....this guy BLEEDS Star Citizen hype.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 18:58    Post subject:
Still, it's a fucking game, not something that will put mankind on Mars or something. If you can't produce something that works after 5 years, there's a problem, period.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 19:49    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Is it really worth refunding? People seem to make more money on ebay for those sweet early deal LTI packages. I have the cheapest $35 Aurora LTI Digital Scout package and I could easily make 50€ on ebay I guess?


You have a point - and while I do use ebay very occasionally for buying cheap items - I've never felt comfortable selling there.

There are just too many scammers and loopholes for my liking. That, and the fact that ebay and Paypal seem to almost always side with the buyer should things go awry.

Basically, I don't feel ebay is worth the risk to turn that extra profit, or I would. Sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 19:58    Post subject:
@Brian: did your co-worker say that whilst holding Roberts holy card close to his chest by any chance? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Sep 2017 20:50    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
@Brian: did your co-worker say that whilst holding Roberts holy card close to his chest by any chance? Very Happy


Lol, I just pictured his face on rather than Gabe's on that meme pic from the Steam sales doing the holy sign and holding that card!
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Sep 2017 04:53    Post subject:
Immunity wrote:
PumpAction wrote:
Is it really worth refunding? People seem to make more money on ebay for those sweet early deal LTI packages. I have the cheapest $35 Aurora LTI Digital Scout package and I could easily make 50€ on ebay I guess?


You have a point - and while I do use ebay very occasionally for buying cheap items - I've never felt comfortable selling there.

There are just too many scammers and loopholes for my liking. That, and the fact that ebay and Paypal seem to almost always side with the buyer should things go awry.

Basically, I don't feel ebay is worth the risk to turn that extra profit, or I would. Sad


lol have you seen ebay + paypal fees lately for selling shit on ebay these days? It's awful as hell. The "profit" you'd make on ebay would just come out as fee's putting you back at your original refund cost lol.

$0.99 – $50.00 8% of the final sale price
$50.01 – $1,000.00 8% of the initial $50.00, plus 5% of the remaining final sale price balance ($50.01 to $1,000.00)

So anything over 50 dollars ebay takes 13%

Now, if you're like everyone, paypal is going to be involved.

2.9% plus $0.30 USD of the amount you receive.

I sold a flash cart for my 3ds on there recently. I had to put it up for an extra 20 bucks just to cover the fees. Ended up eating almost 15 bucks in fees.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Sep 2017 05:29    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
Still, it's a fucking game, not something that will put mankind on Mars or something. If you can't produce something that works after 5 years, there's a problem, period.


Because there's so many other Star Citizen type games to compare it to?

Oh thats right there are none.


Even if the game takes 10 years to deliver it really doesn't matter because they would be actually delivering something that at least right now has nothing similar that exists.


The only types of people that are complaining are:

1. People who think the scope should be 10-20% of what the game is now

2. People who don't understand game development.
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Sep 2017 07:44    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:

$0.99 – $50.00 8% of the final sale price
$50.01 – $1,000.00 8% of the initial $50.00, plus 5% of the remaining final sale price balance ($50.01 to $1,000.00)

So anything over 50 dollars ebay takes 13%


You cannot into Maths... 8% up to 50, and 5% of the above means, that the further you get from 50, the more the overall percentage gets to 5%. Quick example:
- you sell sth for $55
- 8% out of 50 = $4
- 5% out of 5 (amount exceeding 50) = $0.25
- $4.25 / $55 *100% ~= 7.7%

For $100 it's 6,5% total.
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Sep 2017 07:50    Post subject:
bart5986 wrote:
People who don't understand game development.

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Good thing Swofford posted a proof proving this and was not just bla bla bla ... Mr. Green
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