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harry_theone
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garus
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Sep 2017 19:50 Post subject: |
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| sanchin wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: |
$0.99 – $50.00 8% of the final sale price
$50.01 – $1,000.00 8% of the initial $50.00, plus 5% of the remaining final sale price balance ($50.01 to $1,000.00)
So anything over 50 dollars ebay takes 13%
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You cannot into Maths... 8% up to 50, and 5% of the above means, that the further you get from 50, the more the overall percentage gets to 5%. Quick example:
- you sell sth for $55
- 8% out of 50 = $4
- 5% out of 5 (amount exceeding 50) = $0.25
- $4.25 / $55 *100% ~= 7.7%
For $100 it's 6,5% total. |
Not how that works at all. If all I got hit with was a 6.5% fee then I wouldn't have had to dish out almost 16 bucks for selling something at 100 bucks. Buddy and I literally just went through this with them selling the same thing. You're trying to make it look more complicated than it really is.
If you sell anything 0-50, it's 8% of the sale price.
Anything above that is another 5%. So literally, anything above 50 dollars you're paying a 13% fee on the final sale cost. That's not including the paypal fees |
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garus
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Sep 2017 21:33 Post subject: |
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sanchin
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Sep 2017 22:34 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | sanchin wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: |
$0.99 – $50.00 8% of the final sale price
$50.01 – $1,000.00 8% of the initial $50.00, plus 5% of the remaining final sale price balance ($50.01 to $1,000.00)
So anything over 50 dollars ebay takes 13%
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You cannot into Maths... 8% up to 50, and 5% of the above means, that the further you get from 50, the more the overall percentage gets to 5%. Quick example:
- you sell sth for $55
- 8% out of 50 = $4
- 5% out of 5 (amount exceeding 50) = $0.25
- $4.25 / $55 *100% ~= 7.7%
For $100 it's 6,5% total. |
Not how that works at all. If all I got hit with was a 6.5% fee then I wouldn't have had to dish out almost 16 bucks for selling something at 100 bucks. Buddy and I literally just went through this with them selling the same thing. You're trying to make it look more complicated than it really is.
If you sell anything 0-50, it's 8% of the sale price.
Anything above that is another 5%. So literally, anything above 50 dollars you're paying a 13% fee on the final sale cost. That's not including the paypal fees |
Either the percentage is completely different (I don't use ebay and didn't bother to check) or they are applied differently than you wrote.
That's just not how percents work, you can't sum them.
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| Posted: Fri, 15th Sep 2017 23:57 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | @SpykeZ what the fuck. Why is anyone even using eBay  |
Fucking no clue. I literally had to pay like 15 bucks on something I sold under 100. The fees are why more and more people are selling on forums and craigslist over ebay anymore and why you see more "vendors" selling on there instead of individuals. |
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Sep 2017 13:43 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Sep 2017 14:53 Post subject: |
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Not sure if troll or just dense.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Sep 2017 18:50 Post subject: |
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Not the sharpest light in the bright tool shed is my guess. 
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Il_Padrino
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 05:42 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: |
And how is making something unique an argument for such long development time without anything meaningful to show?  Every shit I take is unique, and it takes me (usually) less than 5 minutes to produce.
I work as a software consultant/engineer, not games but I do know that in 5 years you can make something truly incredible, especially with the funds and amount of devs they have.
And I repeat, it's just a game. |
So what is your point though?
Either you think they should have been able to achieve everything they are planning to do in 5 years, in which case, provide some proof
Or you think they should have cut back on a lot of their plans and released within 5 years in which case I would say Chris Roberts can take 20 years to make the game if he wants, its his company to screw up if he wants to but at least wait until he screws it up to say that he has.
If the game is going to be already replaced by something else on release I couldn't say, but feature creep is obviously his middle name, we knew that before the kickstarter was even released.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 09:57 Post subject: |
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| bart5986 wrote: | | Il_Padrino wrote: |
And how is making something unique an argument for such long development time without anything meaningful to show? Every shit I take is unique, and it takes me (usually) less than 5 minutes to produce.
I work as a software consultant/engineer, not games but I do know that in 5 years you can make something truly incredible, especially with the funds and amount of devs they have.
And I repeat, it's just a game. |
So what is your point though?
Either you think they should have been able to achieve everything they are planning to do in 5 years, in which case, provide some proof
Or you think they should have cut back on a lot of their plans and released within 5 years in which case I would say Chris Roberts can take 20 years to make the game if he wants, its his company to screw up if he wants to but at least wait until he screws it up to say that he has.
If the game is going to be already replaced by something else on release I couldn't say, but feature creep is obviously his middle name, we knew that before the kickstarter was even released. |
Didn't he take people money on certain promises of release schedules and certain features? Then after he took peoples money changed his plans for the games features and continuously delayed release while pumping out shitty arena battle maps? Did he then hold back when people wanted refunds because that wasn't what they paid for?
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 10:07 Post subject: |
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| stemot wrote: | | Didn't he take people money on certain promises of release schedules and certain features? Then after he took peoples money changed his plans for the games features and continuously delayed release while pumping out shitty arena battle maps? Did he then hold back when people wanted refunds because that wasn't what they paid for? |
As I said, Chris Roberts is very known for feature creep and even when confronted he continues to feature creep.
I haven't seen any source that said the battle arena maps delayed the game at all.
I think everyone gets it, he made a kickstarter with a date and then the release date was delayed an insane amount from feature creep most likely due to the amount of money he has received.
It still comes down to the same outcome.
1. Keep the original scope and release the game
2. Increase the scope and release it later.
Based on the amount of money being thrown at Star Citizen, there is absolutely no logic to keep the original scope and release the game.
Not only would he be turning away hundreds of millions of dollars, you also have to understand that the money comes from people, those people decided they want these new features.
Think of it this way, a long long long time ago when it was obvious the delays were incoming, the money didn't stop, it starting pouring in.
That tells you that the majority of the paying customer base see new features as more important then a release date.
I'm really not sure why Chris Roberts should decide to release it early because some people on the Internet who haven't been paid for the game think he should.
At the end of the day if the game doesn't suck and isn't replaced by a competing space game in 2020 or whenever it is, nearly everyone who complained about not buying the game because it was vapourware will buy it anyway.
So Chris Roberts wins either way
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 14:33 Post subject: |
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Il_Padrino
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 14:50 Post subject: |
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I think it would have been better if he kept the original scope from the Kickstarter, and made the game people wanted, more or less as a proof of concept. He could have then used all these funds, from the sales and crowdfunding, for the sequel, and go as crazy as he wants. At least people would have something to play already and be busy so as they wouldn't complain that much. But maybe he was afraid he couldn't deliver and the game would suck.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 15:12 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | | I think it would have been better if he kept the original scope from the Kickstarter, and made the game people wanted, more or less as a proof of concept. He could have then used all these funds, from the sales and crowdfunding, for the sequel, and go as crazy as he wants. At least people would have something to play already and be busy so as they wouldn't complain that much. But maybe he was afraid he couldn't deliver and the game would suck. |
The thing is your idea would very likely have resulted in a lot less money and likely never seeing the features planned for the current game.
The fact is that people voted with their money.
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 15:31 Post subject: |
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | | I think it would have been better if he kept the original scope from the Kickstarter, and made the game people wanted, more or less as a proof of concept. He could have then used all these funds, from the sales and crowdfunding, for the sequel, and go as crazy as he wants. At least people would have something to play already and be busy so as they wouldn't complain that much. But maybe he was afraid he couldn't deliver and the game would suck. |
Do not forget the vision he had and what he did with Freelancer.Vision is one thing. Competence and greed are different.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 17:29 Post subject: |
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| bart5986 wrote: | | Il_Padrino wrote: | | I think it would have been better if he kept the original scope from the Kickstarter, and made the game people wanted, more or less as a proof of concept. He could have then used all these funds, from the sales and crowdfunding, for the sequel, and go as crazy as he wants. At least people would have something to play already and be busy so as they wouldn't complain that much. But maybe he was afraid he couldn't deliver and the game would suck. |
The thing is your idea would very likely have resulted in a lot less money and likely never seeing the features planned for the current game.
The fact is that people voted with their money. |
So backers money is worth less than the ship buyers? Mind you they are buying ships not features.
And I could at least have some understanding for more ships but not for these nonsense features like that webcam shit to give an example. |
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 17:47 Post subject: |
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This is one of my favorite threads to open up in the morning with my coffee. Just sit here, sip on it and giggle. It's almost better than Imgur.
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Il_Padrino
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2017 17:52 Post subject: |
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| bart5986 wrote: | | Il_Padrino wrote: | | I think it would have been better if he kept the original scope from the Kickstarter, and made the game people wanted, more or less as a proof of concept. He could have then used all these funds, from the sales and crowdfunding, for the sequel, and go as crazy as he wants. At least people would have something to play already and be busy so as they wouldn't complain that much. But maybe he was afraid he couldn't deliver and the game would suck. |
The thing is your idea would very likely have resulted in a lot less money and likely never seeing the features planned for the current game.
The fact is that people voted with their money. |
True, promise people everything they dream of, let them pay for it, and keep expanding while not delivering anything of note.
That's more ot less the definition of a scam 
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2017 08:12 Post subject: |
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Just you all wait a couple more years and maybe some when this finally comes out and takes the crown of every gaming genre in one go at the rate Chris is promising. He has all bases covered here, star fighting, trading, FPS, pod racing.. Roberts deserves an applaud here, he has taken a hindenburg sized blimp of suckers money and through promises alone has achieved Jonestown massacre level following from supporters of this game.
Can you imagine the envy of Molyneux or Dean 'rocket' Hall with what Chris has pulled off with this game.. a true scam master at work.
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2017 08:25 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | This is one of my favorite threads to open up in the morning with my coffee. Just sit here, sip on it and giggle. It's almost better than Imgur. |
I have to concur. Every time it gets updated I can't wait to open it an feast on the comments and news.
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mtj
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2017 08:27 Post subject: |
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Maybe someone should suggest a side scrolling platformer gameplay also, just to cover all the bases.
And of course roguelike dance events.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2017 08:53 Post subject: |
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| mtj wrote: | Maybe someone should suggest a side scrolling platformer gameplay also, just to cover all the bases.
And of course roguelike dance events. |
I'm surprised he isn't already tapping into the card game and moba genres, could be charging $150 booster packs right now.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2017 16:17 Post subject: |
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I surprised they haven't implemented loot boxes yet
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Kaltern
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2017 22:54 Post subject: |
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Oh you can be sure that'll be coming. Pay $5 to open a box that MIGHT contain a JPEG.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Sep 2017 01:11 Post subject: |
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| Kaltern wrote: | | Oh you can be sure that'll be coming. Pay $5 to open a box that MIGHT contain a JPEG. |
Yup, and we all know which one is gonna be  |
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