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Bob Barnsen




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Feb 2017 09:35    Post subject:
W123 wrote:
Piranha for the most part at least redeemed themselves with Risen but then went full retard on the sequels to that one. sigh.

Risen 2 was shit indeed.
But Risen 3 was a rather fun playthrough for me.


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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Jun 2017 12:47    Post subject:
anyone have any ultra ini for the latest CP? from what i read old cp ini dont work with 1.75
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Jun 2017 18:46    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
W123 wrote:
Piranha for the most part at least redeemed themselves with Risen but then went full retard on the sequels to that one. sigh.

Risen 2 was shit indeed.
But Risen 3 was a rather fun playthrough for me.


i don't think risen 3 was any less shit than the second. Jowood just doesn't learn. They don't learn from mistakes and they just don't get better at anything. It's quite sad.
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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Jun 2017 18:55    Post subject:
@Stormwolf
At least i finished Risen 3.
Had to stop my playthrough of Risen 2 at some point, because it was just so bad.

So according to that Risen 3 was the better game for me.


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PostPosted: Sat, 10th Jun 2017 19:08    Post subject:
lolozaur wrote:
anyone have any ultra ini for the latest CP? from what i read old cp ini dont work with 1.75


https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofgothic/comments/53r9co/2016_gothic_3_patchingmoddinggraphics_guide/

There's a tweaked further optimized ge3.ini file in that guide, maxing the settings to what the engine limits is seems to tank performance even on more modern GPU's so lowering the view distance slightly seems to help without sacrificing too much visual fidelity although the game is a few years old now so don't expect too much from the tweaks compared to how more recent games handle view distance and LOD. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Jul 2017 00:33    Post subject:
WHich one has the best combat system?
Gothic 3? or any of the risens?
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Jul 2017 00:49    Post subject:
lametta wrote:
WHich one has the best combat system?
Gothic 3? or any of the risens?

I feel Risen's (1) is simple but rock solid. Sadly, the boss battles weren't.


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Jul 2017 00:54    Post subject:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
lametta wrote:
WHich one has the best combat system?
Gothic 3? or any of the risens?

I feel Risen's (1) is simple but rock solid. Sadly, the boss battles weren't.

and would you regard it as the best risen?
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Jul 2017 01:09    Post subject:
lametta wrote:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
lametta wrote:
WHich one has the best combat system?
Gothic 3? or any of the risens?

I feel Risen's (1) is simple but rock solid. Sadly, the boss battles weren't.

and would you regard it as the best risen?


Yeah, I absolutely hated the combat in the 2nd one. Which also lead me to skip the 3rd one completely so I can't give you an opinion on that one. But based on the opinion of people that have similar preferences as I do, it was a good decision.


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Jul 2017 03:01    Post subject:
m3th0d2008 wrote:
lametta wrote:
m3th0d2008 wrote:

I feel Risen's (1) is simple but rock solid. Sadly, the boss battles weren't.

and would you regard it as the best risen?


Yeah, I absolutely hated the combat in the 2nd one. Which also lead me to skip the 3rd one completely so I can't give you an opinion on that one. But based on the opinion of people that have similar preferences as I do, it was a good decision.

What Method said, the first Risen is the only one that combat wise can be considered worthy of the oldpiranha(tm) tag. Razz Unfortunately it had other problems also, especially affecting the last third of the game which was uninspired to say the least. Still! A good attempt overall all things considered.

Risen 3 felt better than the second one (definitely not a big achievement Laughing), but it still had that gamepad-centric combat system with couch auto leaping, approximative hitboxes, uberrolling and whatnot that made it look a bit like a flabby trombone. Twasn't a bad game overall in my opinion, just...mildly disappointing, with a decent world/exploration alternating genuinely abysmal writing.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Sep 2019 22:50    Post subject:
forgot how beautiful this looks
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Sep 2019 23:19    Post subject:
I love this game, but even with the patches it still lacks on certain parts where you just know they rushed it because the publisher wanted it out. Which is a pity.

Still play it from time to time, as I do the other Gothics and the first Risen.


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Sep 2019 23:27    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
I love this game, but even with the patches it still lacks on certain parts where you just know they rushed it because the publisher wanted it out. Which is a pity.

Still play it from time to time, as I do the other Gothics and the first Risen.
Also, still runs like utter anus.

"Oh it'll probably run alright on my current year build... wait, aaaaaand nope. I'm shocked it still doesn't, SHOCKED Reaction"


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Sep 2019 23:34    Post subject:
This was a shitty version of Skyrim Forever Alone
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Sep 2019 23:38    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
couleur wrote:
I love this game, but even with the patches it still lacks on certain parts where you just know they rushed it because the publisher wanted it out. Which is a pity.

Still play it from time to time, as I do the other Gothics and the first Risen.
Also, still runs like utter anus.

"Oh it'll probably run alright on my current year build... wait, aaaaaand nope. I'm shocked it still doesn't, SHOCKED Reaction"


I read someone in the WOG-Forums who installed it on a RAMDisk and it still stutters. Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Sep 2019 23:45    Post subject:
Of course it does Okay
Odd that there was never (as far as I know) any attempt to make a total conversion using... whatever engine Sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Sep 2019 23:53    Post subject:
Rough early version of the Geo what it was engine and then D3D9 and single threaded and probably a lot of issues with resource allocation (Spellbound makers of the less than well fated Arcania helped out pluggin a good number of memory leaks too for the unofficial patch project!) plus a huge game world and tons of script and assets for the time but not scaling well above possibly dual core at most (Same as other engines at the time just before multi-threading took off in full.) and so on.

Risen 1 was also a bit of a mess though more so for the poor console port (X360 was it?) though the sequels and Elex would start showing what could be although it hit other snags and issues in turn. Very Happy

Potential is there but the rushed nature of the development and all sorts of half implemented features if not outright bugs or broken or cut content even with mods trying to restore part of it then yeah it's not really solvable and with the engine limits brute forcing via superior hardware isn't going to fully resolve tech issues either.


Game also had some fun early promo art and tech renders or target concepts though the early alpha images afterwards also differed in several ways portraying a much bleaker darker world than what the final version ended up with though not as goofy as what the WTH expansion forced in with character redesigns and some attempts at new enemy types like the Troglodytes. Razz



Not quite up there with early big hypers like Ubisoft Code Masters though ha ha!

EDIT: Part of the image does still hold up too like the way the speed tree and vegetation system is implementation.


Early days ahead of advanced lighting and shaders and ways to use normal mapping and various effects and details, kinda snazzy results for a few games and others well hello everything looking super shiny or like plastic.
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Sep 2019 22:48    Post subject:
Proof that great visual design can make game age well
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Sep 2019 23:45    Post subject:
Level design aswell.


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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Sep 2019 23:59    Post subject:


Looks surprisingly good

Are the Risen games comparable? Or ELEX?

Arcania: Gothic 4?
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Sep 2019 01:37    Post subject:
It's a shame that Gothic III's great exploration and world colluded with the fairly bland core gameplay and structure in terms of quests/reactivity/how the map was actually used, it could have been truly amazing but the final product just remained stuck in a boary dream. Still very enjoyable and atmospheric though, especially now that the signature nasty bugs have been ironed out (haven't replayed the game in a decade, will do it in the future although the mythological iffy performance is scary Razz).

My Piranhian scale of preference would be something like this: Gothic 2 + NOTR > Gothic 1 > ELEX > Risen 1 > Gothic III > Risen 3 > Risen 2 > the Arcania imposter
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Sep 2019 02:02    Post subject:
ELEX is difficult to put in. I think I preferred Risen 1 and Gothic III to it (entirely subjective), still better than both the other Risens and that other game we don’t mention.


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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Sep 2019 04:37    Post subject:
yup, it's how i would put them too ^

edit: goddammit, gonna install those mods in the video above, looks nice.. been years since i played it..
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Sep 2019 08:03    Post subject:
Did anyone find out where to download the Gothic 3 Mini Mods pack from the video above? I can't seem to find it since the video doesn't show the download site and Google doesn't help either.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Sep 2019 08:12    Post subject:
Is the patch 1.75.14 the last one for Gothic 3? I see the mentions of a hotfix, but not sure if there is hotfix for .14, or the .14 is hotfix for some previous 1.75 version...
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Sep 2019 08:14    Post subject:
riptide77 wrote:
Did anyone find out where to download the Gothic 3 Mini Mods pack from the video above? I can't seem to find it since the video doesn't show the download site and Google doesn't help either.


I had no problem with any of the links, installed everything like an hour ago.

So far so good.. the performance is still shit on a 1080ti and a recent i5 lol.. but as long as you don't download any of the ultra-mega-super-graphics .ini the game doesn't stutter much at all.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Sep 2019 08:20    Post subject:
Where did you find the Gothic 3 Mini Mod pack at 7:23 in the video?


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vurt




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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Sep 2019 08:23    Post subject:
riptide77 wrote:
Where did you find the Gothic 3 Mini Mod pack at 7:23 in the video?


all the links are in the description of the video.

if it didn't come with links i'd say it would be a pretty shitty guide! it's standard for these types of videos, so keep that in mind, saves you a lot of work.
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