Death Stranding (Kojima)
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jermore




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 05:38    Post subject:
steam forums are on fire with whinging about kojima Laughing nobody wants this guy to succeed for whatever reason.

game looks pretty good both visually and mechanically, so long as you don't mind a slower pace.. it seems that most people just want to play another cod clone again and they probably don't even realize how simplistic that shit is compared to this 'walking simulator'.
as for the story, i'm sure it's inane but it's probably interesting if nothing else.

either way it doesn't look like kojima needs konami for anything at all. all that said, i don't feel like we are looking a particularly mass appeal game so i don't know if this will sell sufficiently on anything but kojima's name alone Laughing.
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AKofC




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 05:50    Post subject:
jermore wrote:
it seems that most people just want to play another cod clone again and they probably don't even realize how simplistic that shit is compared to this 'walking simulator'


when you have to pull the cod card, that just means the game is hard to defend

what most people want it enough obfuscation so that fetch quests, which let's face it - is pretty much what almost all quests in games boil down to - don't feel like fetch quests

but this game is literally just a fetch quest

sure you have all this tiny systems that appear cool, but i can see them growing quite tedious when the game is focused on getting from point a to point b

the balance/stability/terrain thing sounds interesting, but only as a subsystem and not a main feature


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jermore




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 06:57    Post subject:
AKofC wrote:
jermore wrote:
it seems that most people just want to play another cod clone again and they probably don't even realize how simplistic that shit is compared to this 'walking simulator'


when you have to pull the cod card, that just means the game is hard to defend

what most people want it enough obfuscation so that fetch quests, which let's face it - is pretty much what almost all quests in games boil down to - don't feel like fetch quests

but this game is literally just a fetch quest

sure you have all this tiny systems that appear cool, but i can see them growing quite tedious when the game is focused on getting from point a to point b

the balance/stability/terrain thing sounds interesting, but only as a subsystem and not a main feature

i don't see the problem with the game being a hiking/transport simulator, it looks like it has plenty of mechanics to support that including combat not in the players favor. the only reason this game would be particularly hard to defend is the prejudice of being associated with the words 'walking simulator'.

i used cod as an example because some retard on the steam forums was bitching about the 'lack of combat' which i find hilarious.

personally i play a lot of tedious shit like eurotruck, elite and spintyres etc so i just have no beef with going from a to b so long as there is some depth, strategy or exploration factors. as i mentioned earlier, I don't think the game is for the masses in that it's too different (or bland if you will) and not action orientated. i guess that in itself is not that easy to defend, but i haven't even played the game so i'm not going to dig myself a hole here Laughing
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 11:31    Post subject:
I watched some streams, the world feels so weightless. Vehicles, objects, etc. just have unnatural movement animations and come off as floaty.


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bronson




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 11:46    Post subject:
That was my initial impression too. The guy looks like he walks on spring shoes.
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 12:05    Post subject:
I can imagine a helicopter mod being very popular here.
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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 14:50    Post subject:
Having seen the first 4 hours on a stream, the game seems intriguing enough. But I'm not really convinced of the visuals. Sure, the graphical fidelity seems high, but the world seems very bland and monotonous. There are supposedly a few different biomes, but the initial part at least is not exactly *pretty*.


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Civ01




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 20:09    Post subject:
AKofC wrote:
jermore wrote:
it seems that most people just want to play another cod clone again and they probably don't even realize how simplistic that shit is compared to this 'walking simulator'
when you have to pull the cod card, that just means the game is hard to defend


To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Death Stranding. The symbolism is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the meaning will go over a typical gamer's head. There's also Sam's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these allegories, to realize that they're not just stuff in games- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Death Stranding truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the meaning in Hideo's character naming such as "Die Hardman", which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Hideo Kojima's genius unfolds itself on their television screens.
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 20:54    Post subject:
Civ01 wrote:
without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the meaning will go over a typical gamer's head.
Hopefully I don't need a PHD to play it Surprised Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 20:56    Post subject:


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 21:05    Post subject:
madmax17 wrote:
Civ01 wrote:
without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the meaning will go over a typical gamer's head.
Hopefully I don't need a PHD to play it Surprised Very Happy

Minimum requirement IQ 150. But only god tier levels of IQ's over 200 will truly understand the meaning of it all.


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Prandur




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 21:18    Post subject:
Civ01 wrote:
...As a consequence people who dislike Death Stranding truly ARE idiots...


You can't make a blank statement like that. First of all, even if one understands all the intricacies woven into the game, he/she can still not like the gameplay itself.

Second, the examples you give about the "intellectual capacity" required to understand the game are completely misrepresentative. If you just need knowledge of literature and art history and philosophy (as your examples suggest), well, that's hardly a precise measure of intellect.

And to conclude with a final point, I'd dare argue that complex games which require intellect to even understand and play efficiently (e.g., Europa Universalis 4, Stellaris) are better examples of games which will be mostly disliked by "idiots", as per your words.
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 21:39    Post subject:
Prandur wrote:
Civ01 wrote:
...As a consequence people who dislike Death Stranding truly ARE idiots...


You can't make a blank statement like that. First of all, even if one understands all the intricacies woven into the game, he/she can still not like the gameplay itself.

Second, the examples you give about the "intellectual capacity" required to understand the game are completely misrepresentative. If you just need knowledge of literature and art history and philosophy (as your examples suggest), well, that's hardly a precise measure of intellect.

And to conclude with a final point, I'd dare argue that complex games which require intellect to even understand and play efficiently (e.g., Europa Universalis 4, Stellaris) are better examples of games which will be mostly disliked by "idiots", as per your words.


He's trolling. Laughing


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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bronson




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 21:40    Post subject:
Prandur wrote:


You can't make a blank statement like that. First of all, even if one understands all the intricacies woven into the game, he/she can still not like the gameplay itself.

Second, the examples you give about the "intellectual capacity" required to understand the game are completely misrepresentative. If you just need knowledge of literature and art history and philosophy (as your examples suggest), well, that's hardly a precise measure of intellect.

And to conclude with a final point, I'd dare argue that complex games which require intellect to even understand and play efficiently (e.g., Europa Universalis 4, Stellaris) are better examples of games which will be mostly disliked by "idiots", as per your words.


It's a copypasta originally mocking Rick and Morty pseudointellectual fanboys. I'm disappointed he didn't include the tattoo part. Laughing
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Prandur




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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 22:07    Post subject:
Aha, very nice. Sorry I didn't realize that, my bad.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 10:42    Post subject:
Over 20 hours in and while the story and characters so far aren't very interesting to me, I find the gameplay quite amazing. It really feels different to anything I played and you could literally call it a walking simulator because of the way you have to pay attention to the terrain and plan your trip ahead.

The game requires patience as you start off slowly transporting back breaking amounts of cargo on foot, but this makes the gradual payoff much sweeter, as the sense of progression is really addictive. By the time you developed/unlocked new upgrades/vehicles/weapons around chapter 3, it feels like a new game almost.

The last game I played that gave me a similar satisfactory feeling of progression was Subnautica, which also starts off tedious and then slowly giving you so many tools.

I don't believe all the conspiracy about reviewers being paid off, after playing it, I can understand both the 6/10 and the 10/10 scores, all of those are legit, depending on what you look for in a game and whether you have the patience for it.
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 11:09    Post subject:
I bought it yesterday, but haven't played it yet. I'm not used to paying full prices for games, but since I'm in some kind of void recently where almost not a single game interests me, this actually seemed like something worth trying. Maybe I was wrong, but we will see Very Happy


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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 11:19    Post subject:
Is there a difficulty setting in this game?


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Tanktyr




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 11:25    Post subject:
Yup there is
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 12:13    Post subject:
Been playing it for 10+ hours, its really good.

Story wise it's really interesting (everything is explained, so no "left me confused" stuff).
Game mehanics are okay.
The setting/mood is really awesome.

Enemies (human) steal your stuff:
They were after me, ran out of energy for my bike, had to ditch it, they stopped and started to loot my bike so I had to get the stuff back since it was a "story" related item.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 13:01    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
Is there a difficulty setting in this game?


Yea, I am playing on hard, there isn't much challenge enemy-wise, didn't die even once so far, the challenge comes from delivering the cargo intact and having it not stolen. Dealing with enemies is mostly very easy imo.
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Ampee




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 14:38    Post subject:
The_Zeel wrote:
Il_Padrino wrote:
Is there a difficulty setting in this game?


Yea, I am playing on hard, there isn't much challenge enemy-wise, didn't die even once so far, the challenge comes from delivering the cargo intact and having it not stolen. Dealing with enemies is mostly very easy imo.


Which chapter you are in?
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 14:58    Post subject:
Chapter 3 atm, plenty options to deal with big enemy bases and loot them completely.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Nov 2019 11:22    Post subject:
Well into chapter 5 now and the gameplay is so fucking addictive. All this stuff in theory shouldn't work, but it does. I came for the story, but stayed for the walking/hiking/transporting/infrastructure sim. I don't even care about the story at this point and just want to keep
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, the asynchronous multiplayer functions are really satisfactory.
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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Nov 2019 13:27    Post subject:
I'm totally hooked on the game. Purchased it on the weekend and have nearly 30 hrs playtime thus far. This is the first game where I actually gave a shit about the story, well at least until I left the starting area. The asynchron multiplayer is very well made, the gameplay is awesome and there is so much more to do aside of just running the quests. Yesterday I built almost 4 sections of road all by myself, felt very satisfying to receive the likes afterwards and seeing people use my roads or other stuff I left behind.

Not in a rush to progress in the story. Doing a lot of side missions and just having fun all around. Smile


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Lutzifer wrote:
and yes, mine is only average
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tet666




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PostPosted: Mon, 11th Nov 2019 15:35    Post subject:
Ah well at least we can mod the tedious shit out in the PC version, story is pretty much all i care about anyway i mean i might as well just youtube it but it's not the same as actually playing it for me.
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