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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Oct 2021 17:24    Post subject:
I had to reinstall Windows either way since I upgraded both CPU and GPU and had this one running for over a year now. So I just upgraded to Win11. And well, it runs smooth. Nothing that bothers me for now tbh. Its nothing major.

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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Oct 2021 17:53    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
I had to reinstall Windows either way since I upgraded both CPU and GPU and had this one running for over a year now. So I just upgraded to Win11. And well, it runs smooth. Nothing that bothers me for now tbh. Its nothing major.

Is the GUI and start menu not as bad as it seems in the promos?
Perhaps it's my "change is bad! I want familiar" in me. But it seems each version of windows goal is to make the start menu icons larger and larger, with more dead padding space between them.

But then again, I think its my pickiness of I want it EXACTLY how I want it. now how you think I should have it.
For example I think "pin to start" is a backwards step from toolbars if I could remove that right click I would I click it too often trying to rightclick->close. IMO This is FAR better than pin (but you have to manually set it up in win 10 now).
-Top row is actually what is open. If its not running/open its not on that bar.
-Bottom is quick launch, I can sort them, group them into groups by 'what' they are, all sort of things. Like in the pic, left group is 'my' stuff. Right is work stuff.
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And the windows snapping to a size trying to figure out what I'm trying to do (vs letting me do it) when you vaguely get near the edge of screen is often more "I dont want that" than I DO want it to do it.

It seems windows 11 went farther away from what I like in both those areas.

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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Oct 2021 18:02    Post subject:
Areius wrote:
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maybe they should stop outsourcing all their shit in 3rd world countries, maybe one day they can keep up with apple then.

MS doesn't outsource Windows development. They're mostly in and around Redmond.

it doesn't feel like it tho. maybe the "base" windows, but everything which came with windows 8/10, let it be apps, the new settings and so on, all of this feels like they outsourced it.
like multiple teams and no one knows whats going on. if they all really sit in redmond then it's even worse.
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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Oct 2021 19:25    Post subject:
So if a window is minimized (Say Discord) and you drag a JPG to the Discord icon at the taskbar, it won't pop the window up just like it happens in W10?

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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Oct 2021 19:39    Post subject:
@DXWarlock I don't ever use the start menu. My usage of Windows is limited to installing Progs and Games and putting them in the Taskbar.

I've been using MacOS and Windows side by side for years and honestly never liked Windows anymore since then. Just a sophisticated startbar. Razz

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PostPosted: Tue, 5th Oct 2021 20:52    Post subject:
One should wait for Reskindows 11 LTSC. Without bloatware and other crap.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 06:54    Post subject:
They fucked up the context menu. Now you have to click twice for basic stuff like renaming a file. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 07:00    Post subject:
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They fucked up the context menu. Now you have to click twice for basic stuff like renaming a file. Laughing

I had to google this, because hell Mad, but according to this you dont: https://allthings.how/how-to-rename-a-file-or-folder-in-windows-11/

You either click the icon in the context menu or the explorer bar or, what I already tend to do, hit F2. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 07:04    Post subject:
Ok, but its not just that. The context menu is now cut down to a few options MS thinks you mught want to use. All the rest are hidden behind another click.

Like you can "open" a RAR file by right clicking and selecting open. But the WinRAR options like "Extract here" etc. are hidden behind the next click. "Show more options".

Its ridiculous.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 07:24    Post subject:
Oh Sad
Is there a chance, that this is a result of a new API and those context menu entries will come back once programs have implemented them?

I already hate the current windows 10 settings app, because it is just missing stuff, and I now have to search for the classic settings as an additional step. Hope the explorer does not go that route Sad

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 08:59    Post subject:
Nui wrote:

I already hate the current windows 10 settings app, because it is just missing stuff, and I now have to search for the classic settings as an additional step. Hope the explorer does not go that route Sad

I second this. Working on servers 2016/2019 and needing to do anything admin/user/policy based or more advanced that change basic settings. You always have to change control panel from the big huge space wasting icons to classic view, compact view..something like that.
The setting menu is largely useless for anything actually related to managing the machine itself. (or 4 more clicks to get to than the old ways).

I just hope 11 server version isnt worse and whatever server version they make isn't also based on this new superficial 'we know what you need to see' layout.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 09:53    Post subject:
Windows 11 feels smoother and I like the icons in the middle of the taskbar on my UWQHD screen and the integrated multi-desktop feature. But thats about it. Windows is still a mess compared to MacOS and the 11 UI is as incoherent as Windows always has been or has become over the years. I'll probably keep it installed and get used to it.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 10:18    Post subject:
Doesn't 10 have multi-desktop? I remember playing with it, but had no real use for it a while back.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 11:08    Post subject:
Maybe it had. I cannot remember it being an obvious feature. On 11 it is prominent on the taskbar.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 11:16    Post subject:
Ah yea it did. And it's on the taskbar.
I had it turned off, why I couldn't remember where it was.

(This isn't to argue with you if it was/wasn't. More curiosity I was not crazy it had it built in, or if I tried a 3rd party addon long ago.)


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 11:24    Post subject:
I seriously never noticed that. Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 11:26    Post subject:
When you hit WIN + TAB you can also see the additional desktops at the top and move applications from your current desktop to others. There might also be keyboard shortcuts. I have never found a good use for this feature though. It think to me it seemed too cumbersome to move between desktops and similarly move apps around.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 11:30    Post subject:
@Nui
Same, if I had one monitor I might see a use for it. But with an ultrawide and a 16:9 turned vertical on the side for discord, rainmeter, random websites for reference,etc; it's more work to move between them that just keep them on one monitor or the other.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 11:31    Post subject:
Seems like I'm a Windows illiterate. Laughing


On MacOS using this feature has become like second nature. A matter of touching a defined corner edge and switiching screens. It works extremely well on a touchpad. edit: But I agree that its mostly useful on a Notebook.

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 12:07    Post subject:
Areius wrote:
The large borders at the bottom are now also gone so you have to look at a few pixels to see which apps are open.

Stop using 'pin to start' and use quick launch toolbars and problem solved Razz if it's not down there, its not open Smile
[Still not sure why people would want things that isnt a open task..on the taskbar. Seems counterintuitive to the purpose of that part of the bar]

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 12:25    Post subject:
@ couleur
Interesting that touch seems to help with multiple desktops Smile

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[Still not sure why people would want things that isnt a open task..on the taskbar. Seems counterintuitive to the purpose of that part of the bar]

you mean "pin to taskbar"? I love that feature. Here is why:

WIN + [NUMBER] is essentially like clicking on taskbar entries in their order. Pinning them means I have a few entries always in the same position, so WIN + 1 is always my browser, WIN + 2 always my music player and so on. Switching to these apps is extremely fast and convenient this way. And you can also start these applications this way, which is faster than any other method. And in win 10 at least its super obvious which are actually running or not.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 12:36    Post subject:
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So if a window is minimized (Say Discord) and you drag a JPG to the Discord icon at the taskbar, it won't pop the window up just like it happens in W10?


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 14:31    Post subject:
I suppose 6 of one 1/2 dozen of the other in the end.
I dont use the start menu to start common used things either. I just find quick launch with a separate 'this is actually running' task bar more organized. Plus I can 'group' things like games, work, whatever into clumps of launch icons.
When nothings open, I want the bar that shows me what is open blank Razz

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https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/amd-windows-11-slows-cpus-up-to-15-patch-coming

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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Oct 2021 22:40    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/amd-windows-11-slows-cpus-up-to-15-patch-coming



This was a bug that was reported right after the beta test started, they didn't even bother fixing anything before release.
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w00t w00t... multiple desktops Laughing
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