Lords of the Fallen (Lords of the Fallen 2)
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Kezmark




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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Oct 2023 21:51    Post subject:
I find that in most games these days 90% of the graphical sliders are there for decoration anyway.

But yeah, even with my having good fps as I've said, I do run it on a 13980HX and 4080 laptop, so not really something that should be having problems with it. That being said, I can see where poor performance would show as I'd sometimes drop sub 100 for a sec after some cutscenes or when loading some new area.

The game felt fine for me as far as input went, but I played very little since I got sick same day as it launched, and now I want to finish Cyberpunk 2077 with Phantom Liberty and then play through Lies of P, before I come back to this as they both interest me more.

I just found the level design bland and forgettable, and maybe confusing at times, though that might have been the fever, although the dual world bs didn't help. I just find it such a gimmick, and more annoying then anything else having to take out my lantern constantly.
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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Oct 2023 23:23    Post subject:
Weird game.
Beat pieta and got to the hub and platform area afterwards. The more I play, the more I dislike the lantern and everything related to the 2 planes mechanic. Lantern is slow in every scenario (walking and using any attacks with it) which is just compounded by the enemies "horde mode" in Umbral world.
Also some shit seems to be broken like the flail's one-handed multiple hit strike, you just spin it and then hit for ONE hit, dafuq? Already put quite a few points into health with barely any real visible outcome on that bar, but that may be class related/locked somehow.


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W123




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th Oct 2023 04:47    Post subject:
The lantern gimmick was enough for me to lose interest in the game. I did like the fluidity of movement but other than that, meh.
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Divvy




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th Oct 2023 13:14    Post subject:
I cringe every time the game forces me to go umbral, which is a lot. It also has some insanely long stretches without bonfires. While it does have flowerbeds for you to make your own bonfire, the resource for doing so is rare and the game is full of trap flowerbeds where you get a permanent bonfire just around the next corner and wasted your seed.

This, among other things, makes me feel the game is unnecessarily player hostile a lot of the time.

Overall, I'm still enjoying it.


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EyePatchLives




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th Oct 2023 13:30    Post subject:
4 bosses in I still think it's 'alright', but I dislike the umbral plain and no boss fight so far gave me the same kind of satisfaction I get from beating Soulsborne bosses. It just doesn't 'scratch that itch.'


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pho08




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PostPosted: Tue, 17th Oct 2023 16:40    Post subject:
another day aaaand you guessed it , another patch

https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/12456026/


and judging from you guys , apart from the performance issues, this needs more gameplay/balancing adjustments too
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PostPosted: Tue, 17th Oct 2023 17:24    Post subject:
Need another reboot. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 17th Oct 2023 19:02    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
Need another reboot. Laughing


Obviously Very Happy

I suggest we call it "Lords of the Fallen" in order not to confuse cons.. players !


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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Oct 2023 01:52    Post subject:
Well after enduring exploration and somewhat getting a grip on the lantern mechanics I've progressed quite a bit. Most of it was grinding a bit while trying to master the crimson sword(or whatever)'s moveset, the first decent STR based weapon I came across.
Rescued the smith, beat k9 handler, big underground guy, riding knight guy.
Upgraded that sword, the crossbow, and started wearing a slightly better armor.

Still is both funny and frustrating to find small areas or paths to separate zones that have enemies that are clearly levels above you, but it ends up as motivation to keep pushing forward. Still no major performance issues, but it's stupid if it's confirmed that some of the settings use RT with really fucks over performance, runs ok-ish with GI and reflections on medium. Still on 1.0 too, who knows what they've been breaking with every (almost) daily patch Laughing


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Divvy




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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Oct 2023 12:17    Post subject:
I'm not sure there is "real" RT in the game anyway, not as we understand it. The reflection settings talks about RT but I have been looking and I haven't seen a single RT reflection in the entire game.


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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Oct 2023 12:46    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:

Still is both funny and frustrating to find small areas or paths to separate zones that have enemies that are clearly levels above you


It is interesting seeing as this was one of the praised features of old rpg games and the original Dark Souls. Think scaling and such is messing with our brains.
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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Oct 2023 14:46    Post subject:
Exactly. First it frustrated me a bit, and then it gives you something to works towards to.
Also the game is really bad at communicating information to you. For example, the petrified whamen in the swamps, aside from her dialogue that plays once you have no idea what to do to advance that quest.


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dsergei




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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Oct 2023 19:42    Post subject:
Finished it with the Radiance ending. What a bloated, boring game. Samey enemies, uninteresting bosses, lots of padding, cluncky umbral mechanics. Had no interest in any of the characters or the story itself. All the weapons of the same type have the same moveset. Magic is meh. Weird armour / weight balance.

Sad
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Oct 2023 20:04    Post subject:
I displayed sever levels of masochisms making it to the end of this one. It's the worst Souls-like game masquerading as a good one.
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PostPosted: Sun, 29th Oct 2023 16:42    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
I displayed sever levels of masochisms making it to the end of this one. It's the worst Souls-like game masquerading as a good one.


Got back to it after Spiderman 2 platinum and I have to agree...

The performance is still real bad, its slightly better than before, but its still miles away from acceptable.

I really want to like it, but sadly it's just plain bad, pretty much everything. The Umbral world sounds good at the beginning, but it quickly becomes boring and mostly frustrating.
Character movement and weapon swings animations are extremely clunky, feels so heavy. Fell to my death so many times in Pilgrim’s Perch while attacking the enemies due to a combination of stuttering and clunky move and attack animations.

Looking at the platinum trophy guide it requires 2NG+ cycles Laughing I'm not sure I will finish it once let alone 3 times.

At least i took the PS5 disk version and I'm seriously considering selling it.

This game should definitely win the best marketing award this year. They managed to sneak in this pile of garbage pretty good. Lies of P is 10 times better than this. Hell even Wo Long is way better.


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PostPosted: Sun, 29th Oct 2023 17:26    Post subject:
demde wrote:
Character movement and weapon swings animations are extremely clunky, feels so heavy.
While I didn't try the game, I got the same impressions from watching others play it. Clunky combat ? No thanks, I wont even bother trying it.


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EyePatchLives




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PostPosted: Sun, 29th Oct 2023 21:51    Post subject:
The boss fights in this one range from too easy to tedious. Some very cool designs but gameplay wise it's a one and done.


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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Oct 2023 19:08    Post subject:
I'm still having fun? if you can call it like that with these games - but I agree on some encounters being completely not thought about, just random shit to increase the difficulty artificially.

Some enemies aren't balanced at all. Also some level design mishaps ( there's this optional Palladin boss, once inside the "arena", there's the archers from outside spamming arrows through the gate Laughing
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Divvy




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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Oct 2023 23:00    Post subject:
I enjoyed this. It has it's rough spots and it wouldn't been better off without the umbral world mechanic but I played through it and mostly had fun.


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Thorwulf




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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Oct 2023 08:55    Post subject:
I liked it alot. It really reminded me of Dark Souls 1.
It does have some (rather big) flaws though.
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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Oct 2023 23:43    Post subject:
Yes, one major flaw is that at some point it keeps throwing earlier bosses in your face alllllll the time. It is challenging, yes, but also quite boring.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2023 04:00    Post subject:
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2023 11:39    Post subject:
He made one grievous error though. You can actually get out of elevators to ready them for your inevitable demise and return.

Otherwise i kinda agree. But it'd say it's a great souls like game. Only thing i could be without was the damn double world mechanic. It's tedious always looking through places twice to see if there's some hidden stuff, but at the same time it's great as it looks awesome, but you get enough of it so it should have been sections instead

Boss fights is where it shines. Like Fromsoftware themselves they manage to make boss telegraphy quite decent and recognizable. It looks so much better than other clones. Lies of P for example is one i feel has some catching up to do on that front. Boss fights in Lords of the Fallen is A LOT more enjoyable.

Music is Darksouls.

Oh and one quick very negative thing: Vigor (souls) don't just add like your regular souls games. They drop on the ground, and very slowly with certain enemies with long death animations. So if you just hack and slash your way to the boss then you most likely left a shitton of souls on your way. Very bad design.

That's about it. If you like Dark Souls and can deal with the double world trouble, your're all set for a grand, and i mean grand fucking adventure.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2023 19:47    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
Oh and one quick very negative thing: Vigor (souls) don't just add like your regular souls games. They drop on the ground, and very slowly with certain enemies with long death animations. So if you just hack and slash your way to the boss then you most likely left a shitton of souls on your way. Very bad design.


Nah man, you can use the lamp to gather those.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2023 19:48    Post subject:
We are speaking about different things
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2023 19:53    Post subject:
Finally upgraded that Angel Axe to 10 and... lost the will to play Sad
Still have two beacons to go, the manse and dunno where's the 4th one, but nowadays I'm simply more interested in Underrail.


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2023 19:55    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
We are speaking about different things


Is that so, aren't you complaining that the vigor is left on the floor?
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2023 20:11    Post subject:
You say complaining, but it's only common sense you shouldn't have to wait for 10 seconds after killing random enemies to get your souls. And i'm not waiting around with lanterns either

It is a game problem as no other game is like that, attempting to counter my point will not lead anywhere.
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Danyutz




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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2023 21:35    Post subject:
You just need to raise the lamp and press RB opposed to RT( used for souldflaying ), all "souls" come to you in an instant Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Nov 2023 02:24    Post subject:
Another patch.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LordsoftheFallen/comments/17m7t0i/update_v11282/

Quote:
Featuring over 100 fixes, tweaks, and enhancements, this includes improving the visual quality of HDR, adding extra savegame safeguards, and addressing a number of rare crashes. We’ve also improved cooperative play, made PVP more diverse, buffed some bosses, refined AI behavior, and balanced a few spells and items.


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