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That's some great thinking right there, Big_Gun..
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Big_Gun
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| Posted: Sat, 24th May 2008 17:31 Post subject: |
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| cnZ wrote: | | well, here the difference is that one is a physical object and the other is a virtual bits and bytes. you are just copying the source. |
I undertsnad. I am just having some fun.
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Big_Gun
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| Posted: Sat, 24th May 2008 17:31 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | That's some great thinking right there, Big_Gun.. |
Thanks!
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| Posted: Sat, 24th May 2008 17:35 Post subject: |
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Games are just like S3X. Its better when its Fr33. 
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Big_Gun
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| Posted: Sat, 24th May 2008 18:17 Post subject: |
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Stealing =/= Copyright Infrigement
I guess some people are incapable of understanding the difference between the two.
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| Posted: Sat, 24th May 2008 21:26 Post subject: |
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| EwarWoo1 wrote: | Look at the definition of steal:
1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.
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So what exactly is being taken from the game developer? It can't be the game, because the developer still has it. And it can't be money, because the developer didn't have that to begin with.
Rob
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 01:00 Post subject: |
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| Pluvius wrote: | | EwarWoo1 wrote: | Look at the definition of steal:
1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.
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So what exactly is being taken from the game developer? It can't be the game, because the developer still has it. And it can't be money, because the developer didn't have that to begin with.
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they call it now intellectual property a word taken from e-managers that manage intellectual wisdom / experience and use it as a money capital
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 01:52 Post subject: |
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| cnZ wrote: | | that's a valid point that good games sell and shit ones won't, and devs are always attacking piracy for their poor sales (which is incorrect ofc). |
Not really. If you look at the people who download games and say they buy them, they say if they're a great game they buy.
So basically, if it's a great game it sells but in reduced numbers.
If it's a mediocre -> good game it sells sweet FA. People play but don't pay. Where as without piracy it would sell.
If it's a crap game the above kind of applies but hard to feel sorry for them when it shouldn't sell.
But any of them piracy does affect sales. Just the lesser the game the more it is affected.
So just a less honest pussy assed way of saying "Stop protection, it's threatening my free gaming!"
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 15:06 Post subject: |
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oh yeah you are so right i believe you and those hyped trailers that killed off the demo
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 15:41 Post subject: |
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they can never optimize games good enough for real hw now they have to worry about some chip which will probably fuk with game perfomance aswell
this shit will never fly
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 16:06 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | they can never optimize games good enough for real hw now they have to worry about some chip which will probably fuk with game perfomance aswell
this shit will never fly |
If there's a dedicated chip doing the job of SF or SR or whatever protection the particluar develop uses at the moment it will indeed affect performance - it will improve it.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 16:12 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | they can never optimize games good enough for real hw now they have to worry about some chip which will probably fuk with game perfomance aswell
this shit will never fly |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 16:56 Post subject: |
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| EwarWoo1 wrote: | | Mortibus wrote: | they can never optimize games good enough for real hw now they have to worry about some chip which will probably fuk with game perfomance aswell
this shit will never fly |
If there's a dedicated chip doing the job of SF or SR or whatever protection the particluar develop uses at the moment it will indeed affect performance - it will improve it. |
yeah right, so was AGEIA PhysX card which is nothing but failure
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 20:56 Post subject: |
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wait didn't they say Nvidia bought them and now the X series will have one of those Ageia chips ? is it bull like with they Havoc 4 in GF8
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 21:08 Post subject: |
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People do the rules ,not developers not nvidia ati amd or intel.
If nobody buys the crap they can´t survive
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 21:47 Post subject: |
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The amount of people that understand this and for some reason have something against it not grate enuf to make a difference.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th May 2008 23:34 Post subject: |
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stealing denies someone ownership of an item. if i steal a ferrari from a dealer, they are down 1 ferrari. if pirate or copy that ferrari, they still have theirs, but i'm driving an exact duplicate. the law hasn't really caught up, but that's why it's copyright infringement and not stealing.
and yeah this idea (TPM/Trusted computing) has been around for a while, there was a bit of talk when 'longhorn' was going to support it, not sure if it still does, but it probably does.
EDIT: D'oh!! only read first page.
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| Posted: Mon, 26th May 2008 09:26 Post subject: |
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| Mortibus wrote: | | EwarWoo1 wrote: | | Mortibus wrote: | they can never optimize games good enough for real hw now they have to worry about some chip which will probably fuk with game perfomance aswell
this shit will never fly |
If there's a dedicated chip doing the job of SF or SR or whatever protection the particluar develop uses at the moment it will indeed affect performance - it will improve it. |
yeah right, so was AGEIA PhysX card which is nothing but failure |
Completely different thing. That was sold as an optionaly extra to improve performasnce. And it did in circumstances where it was utilised properly.
Hardly compares to a chip that would be enforced. Was just saying it's hardly going to make performance worse having the protection hardware instead of software.
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Nidhogg
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And the anal probe
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| Posted: Mon, 26th May 2008 16:17 Post subject: |
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| EwarWoo1 wrote: | | Was just saying it's hardly going to make performance worse having the protection hardware instead of software. |
Well that depends. Most copy protection software just runs checks when you start up a game, so where's the benefit really? |
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| Posted: Mon, 26th May 2008 16:44 Post subject: |
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I guarantee there will be flashes available days to a week after release if this ever did come to life.
troll detected by SiN
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| Posted: Wed, 28th May 2008 09:29 Post subject: |
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| EwarWoo1 wrote: | Not really. If you look at the people who download games and say they buy them, they say if they're a great game they buy.
So basically, if it's a great game it sells but in reduced numbers.
If it's a mediocre -> good game it sells sweet FA. People play but don't pay. Where as without piracy it would sell.
If it's a crap game the above kind of applies but hard to feel sorry for them when it shouldn't sell.
But any of them piracy does affect sales. Just the lesser the game the more it is affected.
So just a less honest pussy assed way of saying "Stop protection, it's threatening my free gaming!" |
That's BS. Piracy is a problem but it's not the only/main reason why some games aren't selling well. As others have mentioned before me, the weak ports, the short game time, the dumbed down gameplay/stories, lack of optimization for the PC, few demos (and even most of those isn't really good) are the main reasons (I'm sure I've missed a few though).
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| Posted: Wed, 28th May 2008 10:32 Post subject: |
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If they sold games for a decent price then they would sell more. They're saying that piracy is driving these games companies to the wall. Yet look at the GTA series. Good games sell well, crap games go down the pan and rightly so. Look at who Japans richest man recently. Only the expresident of Nintendo.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th May 2008 15:40 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | If they sold games for a decent price then they would sell more. They're saying that piracy is driving these games companies to the wall. Yet look at the GTA series. Good games sell well, crap games go down the pan and rightly so. Look at who Japans richest man recently. Only the expresident of Nintendo. |
Exactly. Great games do sell. But doesn't say much for the rest of the industry. Good games still deserve to sell.
And bad example there. He's made his money from consoles. Not PC gaming.
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better not let your friends around to watch a movie either
