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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jun 2008 22:27    Post subject: Vista Installation
So I got my new machine and I'm trying to install windows vista business 64bit (legal version.. which.. after much annoyance.. now boots from DVD Razz)..

The DVD loads just fine, gets past the "loading files" black and white screen, gets to the green bar screen and again goes fine. Then it gets to a "vista looking" screen with a mouse pointer (which can be moved) but nothing happens, it just stays like that..

Any ideas? Should I be waiting for hours for something to happen or is this an error?
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jun 2008 22:37    Post subject:
Leave it a short while. Ive installed Vista on a lot of machines and Ive noticed times duing the installation that it appears to hang but has in fact installed successfully. They should have put a progress indicator on there. Just listen to your drive and if its still accessing its probably still working. If there is no activity or the drive sounds are looping then there could be a problem.

May the NFOrce be with you always.
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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Jun 2008 22:50    Post subject:
So that blue and green screen is the installation? despite it having not asked me anything up until that stage?

Most specifically, where to install the damn thing Razz! It better not have shredded the drive Neutral!

:Edit:

Just watching .. That pop up window with options doesn't appear for me! Damnit! This is driving me fucking nuts Sad!

:Edit 2:

Gonna just pirate a copy and use my CD key.. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Jun 2008 03:35    Post subject:
Why do you want to use Vista anyway? 64bit XP is easily as good, if not better, for 64bit coding.
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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Jun 2008 03:39    Post subject:
installed today precracked vista x64
works just fine
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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Jun 2008 03:57    Post subject:
This issue is not with my discs, I've tried multiple versions now and also tested them on my laptop and the issue is only happening on my new system! Going to try installing XP32bit (as I don't have a license for 64bit and when it comes to OS's I generally stay legal Wink) and use the "upgrade" feature to see if that helps!

Can windows xp 32 bit be updated to 64bit easily?
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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Jun 2008 06:10    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
Can windows xp 32 bit be updated to 64bit easily?
AFAIK you can't. Maybe try to burn an unattended setup of vista x64 (using Vlite) which will include your motherboard drivers.
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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Jun 2008 13:51    Post subject:
No 32bit xp cannot be upgraded to 64bit xp. You have to call Microsoft Support and turn in your 32bit key and for 40 euro get a 64bit key in exchange.
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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Jun 2008 02:28    Post subject:
Bah, a friend of mine is bringing me XP 64bit tomorrow (as I'm not at my new machine anyway due to visiting the parents this is the best situation to be in Very Happy!) so I'll install that then run the Vista 64bit installation from within that! Assuming I care enough, I may just stick with XP Razz!

I can't believe how much trouble this caused! I still have no idea why vista wouldn't boot properly!
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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jun 2008 19:53    Post subject:
Just got back to my machine and the DVD my friend gave me wont boot Razz, so I decided to give Vista another try and hit onto something.

When I remove the CD after the installation loads, the language screen instantly appears and I am able to continue with the installation, it seems that Vista is hanging due to my dvd drive. As I don't have a spare I'm going to try and sort it out by using a USB pen drive..

Any idea's why this may be happening? 1 IDE channel, it is the slave with the HDD as the master.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008 01:46    Post subject:
Managed to download and install a copy of XP64 which worked fine, within that I set my Vista64 install going and its currently been sitting at:

Expanding files (20%) ...

For a good 20mins, I read this bit can take a while and there still seems to be considerable HDD activity so I'm just going to leave it alone for now and hope for the best! Wish me luck! Hopefully by tomorrow I'll be on the new system Razz..


::edit::

It seems to have finished..
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008 02:56    Post subject:
WORKING! Seems my DVD is just utterly dead in Vista, works fine in XP but put anything into the drive while in vista and the system freezes up! Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008 02:59    Post subject:
I had problems with my DVD burner until I upgraded the firmware.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008 03:03    Post subject:
Already tried it, almost seems worse now Wink lol.. I'll do some digging around online to see if its a common problem. I think it is as when I had the initial freezes I found a lot of posts moaning about DVD drive issues.
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008 21:14    Post subject:
Uurghh.. well, with Vista installed I found sound/games/videos to be very choppy from time to time. As I couldn't find a solid solution I'm going to install XP64 and see if that solves the problems!
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008 22:02    Post subject:
I think I've narrowed it down to the IDE controller setting both channels to PIO rather than DMA. I couldn't find any information about this within Vista (due to the drivers being shit) but in XP64 I seem to be able to set things correctly! Hopefully this means it will work now Very Happy!
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008 22:48    Post subject:
oh dear christ.. IDE is fine now, but the SATA RAID is dying Sad! This machine hates me..
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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Jun 2008 23:15    Post subject:
broke any mirrors recently?
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PostPosted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 00:44    Post subject:
Vista is back on.. it seems to be working Very Happy! WOOooo!
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jun 2008 22:47    Post subject:
installed xp86 today and got rid of vista completely
i can't believe u ppl like this pos which still does not support half of the software out there
xp64 is uncompatible crap too
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jun 2008 23:12    Post subject:
Vista runs shag-a-delic here No performance problems and no compatibility issues. Man I must be lucky or something ....
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Jun 2008 23:46    Post subject:
try to start rivatuner pliz
not to mention it's using 1 gig of ram while idle with numerous services off, it's nothing but pretty interface which u can get with xp, plus dx10 is a joke, i've tried and seen absolutely no major difference comparing to dx9 and games run crappier on it, especially dx9 ones
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 00:39    Post subject:
Interesting but I'll have a bash. To have code integrity for kernel mode security implemented or not? I'll take mine enabled thanks. But let see, if Alfredo can provide a digitally signed driver for SpeedFan and Unwinder can't for RivaTuner, that's completely Vista's fault is it? It's his refusal to adhere to KMCS and consequently the fee involved for Verisign certification that is the problem with RivaTuner.

Memory management in Vista crushes XP's. I don't give a monkeys that Vista consumes 7GB for Superfetch, why? Because my system is way more responsive than XP ever was.

Gaming was indeed dire on the Vista RTM of old, thanks to shit graphics drivers. However, just to remind you, it's 2008 now Mortibus, gaming on a decent Vista system is on par with XP. Your comment on Directx10 however I completely agree with.

Won't it be fun when all the hate starts again but this time with Windows 7 ...
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 03:10    Post subject:
vista begins trashing in couple of hours and requires either log off or reboot

xp can work solid 24/7

couldn't care less about integrity for kernel mode security crap. sorry

i prefer stability instead of headache

yet again m$ making money on beta testers, maybe in couple of years vista will gain same stability as xp now, but for now it's pretty crappy and yes my rig is more than enough to play most of the new games with decent settings [excluding crysis joke], magically it manages to do that in xp and not in vista where it begins to lag after a while cause vista starting to consume enormous amount of ram for no apparent reason, explorer once hit 200 mb, for what?

anyway to each it's own but vista is pretty much unfinished as xp was when it was out first
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 03:26    Post subject:
Well I'm not about to point the finger at your setup nor critizise how you have configured it but with my Vista here I have uptimes of weeks (reboots only on driver updates). My system is absolutely rock solid and performance throughout remains constant.

The point in KMCS is to ensure maximum stability / removing the risk of rootkits, albeit at the cost of enforced device driver signing, which as you've pointed out breaks utilities such as RivaTuner. Unfortunately, the figure is around $500 to have a driver signed by a certificate authority.

I was just trying to get over my point that Vista can and does run very well for many people; a bad experience you may have does not equate to the entire Vista install base. And yes, I know the same can be said of my positive experience.

Though the DX9 vs DX10 comparision has made me go and download Call of Juarez again. I never did try it in DX10.

But as you say, to each their own Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 14:08    Post subject:
hmm interesting somehow i always thought xbox 360 does not support dx10 then againg those dx10 of Call of Juarez screenshots look just like 360 version, where pc version loox like crappy dx9

i work at tech support and 9 out of 10 ppl asking me to install Xp after they getting prebuild pc's/laptop's with vista already installed, why is that i wonder?
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 18:58    Post subject:
Just to note, I have 4Gb of RAM thus need a 64bit OS. The reason I went with Vista is because I own the license for it and like to stay legal when it comes to OS's, also, XP was causing me no end of troubles as well so Vista ended up being the lesser of two evils.

Things seem to be fully stable now, despite the horrors of installation and initial system usage!

The SATA raid fuck ups where caused by me plugging my drives into the wrong ports haha.. Seems to have sorted itself out now Very Happy!
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Jun 2008 00:23    Post subject:
Mortibus wrote:
try to start rivatuner pliz
not to mention it's using 1 gig of ram while idle with numerous services off, it's nothing but pretty interface which u can get with xp,

I would really like to know what you are talking about. 710 MB ram usage here, while having apps running.It uses "a lot" more than XP, true, but 1GB while idle? right...

I have never seen a nice Aero clone for xp, but i am not using it anyway, but there are some explorer improvements, that you simply wont get for xp. Minor stuff for many i guess Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Jun 2008 11:57    Post subject:
it was the same flaming and whining going on when XP released. after all everyone will use it
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th Jun 2008 11:58    Post subject:
Masterflat wrote:
it was the same flaming and whining going on when XP released. after all everyone will use it

Not over one year after it was released it wasn't. Laughing

And no, everyone will not use it. At the moment Vista has around 13% of the desktop market. That's after a year. That is hilarious. Laughing

I will never switch to Vista. Maybe, just maybe I will switch to Windows 7 if things are better then, but I don't see any incentive whatsoever to switch from XP at the moment.

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